[ubuntu-art] next meeting

Álvaro Medina Ballester xlasttrainhomex at gmail.com
Fri Feb 8 19:45:39 GMT 2008

Thinking about the idea of merging window selector and app launcher...
imagine that theoric bar (let's call it uBar), you have firefox, evolution,
mplayer and vlc running. Firefox is your most used browser, evolution _is
not_ your most used mail client and vlc is your most used video player. If
you click on browser, mail or video section, that bar _should not_ open
another window, should execute Exposé (on Mac OS X, I think it's window
selector on compiz-fusion) but just showing windows of the category you've
clicked on.

So we have one click app launcher and one click window selector. And you
don't have to look in a lot of windows because you show windows depending on
the category. I think that this would solve that problems with simplicity in
a user-friendly intuitive way and we can make it eye candy too!

2008/2/8, Álvaro Medina Ballester <xlasttrainhomex at gmail.com>:
> Hi everybody!
> I was wondering how could be that app launcher and this is my point of
> view:
> First of all, I think that having a KDE/Windows menu is unusable. Why? you
> need several clicks to open recent apps so if you use an aplication
> frequently it slows your workflow. Mac OS X bar is a good approach, but it
> still can be optimized. How? instead of having icons with apps we can have
> sections (browsers, file managers, media players...) and one icon
> representing each section. One click in that icon (for example, internet
> browsers) would open the most used browser and holding click into that
> section would show something like Leopard stacks with all the browsers. Then
> if you release the mouse button over any browser it should be opened.
> I'm sure that this idea can be improved, but what do you think about it?
> it think that it would provide a great way to open/browse your applications.
> Cheers.
> 2008/2/8, Andrew Laignel <a.laignel at ukdotcafe.com>:
> >
> > Sumit Chandra Agarwal wrote:
> > > I do like this idea very much, but I think there would be a lot of
> > > resistance to it as I think people like having their desktop as a junk
> > > store.
> > > Or maybe they're just too used to the idea.
> > > But it gets a thumbs-up from me! Its mildly annoying to me that
> > > Firefox/etc don't use the home folder or home/downloads as the default
> > > save to.
> > >
> > If you think about it files should go in /home/ and nowhere else.
> > Storing them on the desktop is about as sensible as storing them in the
> > system tray.  It's only the colossal weight of history behind the whole
> > 'save to your desktop' thing.  It just means you have more places to
> > check when looking for things.
> >
> > A solution may be to treat the desktop as /home/ - so it is the same
> > place - only by default do not show any icons or folders.  Clicking the
> > Home Folder Icon will display in the gap to the RHS a box with the
> > files/folders that is navigable.  If it loses focus, or you click the
> > icon again, it would disappear.  Dropping files on the desktop would
> > copy them to /home/
> >
> > While on the subject someone mentioned splitting files and folders
> > distinctly, IE put the rows of folders at the top of the window, a small
> > gap, then the files.  This would help people differentiate between whats
> > in a folder, and other folders.
> >
> > Webmaster, Jhnet.co.uk wrote:
> > > The proposition of a new menu is a good idea however I do not like the
> > > menus that people are coming out with that work like the
> > > SuSE/KDE4/Vista menus - how is it possibly a good idea to 1) Have a
> > > programs list that *SCROLLS*, 2) Have all the programs at the top of
> > > the menu (when you open the menu by clicking something underneath it).
> > I think the main menu bar needs to go at the bottom, otherwise it makes
> > it harder to deal with the full screen windows.  I don't think inversely
> > sorting it is a good idea either so that little extra mouse movement I
> > think may be unavoidable.  :)
> > > Sure we need a better system but whatever is invented should not be a
> > > traditional pop up menu. What would probably be a very good idea is a
> > > task bar widget that displays your most frequently used/last used
> > > programs as shortcut icons next to the traditional menus. This means
> > > that it is accessible to newcomers because they don't need to actively
> > > do something to put the icons there, adds the functionality of a
> > > recently used list (which KDE has had for eons), but most importantly
> > > it gives *single click* access to programs!
> > That may work.  Firefox + Thunderbird are 'pinned' - maybe pinned
> > software should display as icons on the quicklaunch - so anything you
> > use regularly = 1 click.  Say the top 5 items on the recent list display
> > as icons in the quicklaunch.  This may confuse people as they would
> > change without user intervention so maybe pinned only is best?
> >
> > Travis Watkins wrote:
> > > Actually, the desktop effectively does not exist exactly because it is
> > > covered almost all the time. This is probably why people don't worry
> > > about using it as a junk store, they never see it unless they're
> > > diving in there to get something anyway. Kind of like the junk drawer
> > > on your real desk. :)
> > >
> > It's more like leaving junk on your desk when you should put it in your
> > drawer, to the point your desk just becomes another storage area (bad)
> > instead of a useful place for doing tasks (good).  Can't find you phone
> > because of all the crap on your desk?  It's the same thing.
> >
> > My point is that the desktop should be used more as a form of UI, not as
> > yet another place to store files. By mixing app launchers, shortcuts and
> > files on the desktop you confuse people about what does what.  Generally
> > if someone has a desktop covered with crap its because they don't
> > understand the computer well enough to know that they should keep it in
> > /home/.  Forcing good practice isn't really a bad idea.
> >
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> Álvaro.

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