[ubuntu-art] next meeting

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I can see some good points there! Possibly a good goal for a release where
we try and break from the standard desktop environment layout (much more
natural) but at the moment if you shrink down, say, a few open office
documents to a size where its not intrusive it is fairly indistinct (an icon
would be better). A few of apples applications have this behavior on the
dock and while for movies it works rarely will anyone ever have more than
one playing (let alone minimized) but for documents this definitely doesn't
work, even with very very large zooming effects.

I do think that a task bar replacement is in order after all this time
however unless something *equally* functional in *every* way can be found
then it would be worth considering. The great thing about the task bar is
that it uses a tiny amount of space and does its job very well. Just because
something is old doesn't mean it should be replaced. "If it aint broke don't
fix it". On the other hand I am definitely not saying do not try and find a
replacement (or remove optional functionality like docks), after all this is
what Linux is all about!

On 08/02/2008, Sumit Chandra Agarwal <sumit.chandra.agarwal at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>  I agree. I really like a lot of things Apple does to improve usability
> and the quality of the user experience. The dock is not one of them.
>
> Ubuntu should be like Toyota: pillage the best ideas, parts, and features
> from its competitors and scrap the rest. Improve on those stolen ideas. Toss
> in a few new innovations. Release.
>
> I'm honestly not particularly happy with any of the dock/taskbar/whatever
> solutions in any OS, whether it be Mac, Linux, or Windows. I set the taskbar
> or dock to auto-hide and generally either alt-tab or 'expose' to the window
> I need. While we obviously couldn't implement it into Heron, we should start
> thinking of what a true step forward would be in this regard (honestly, *how
> *long has the taskbar been around now?!). I think the way forward would be
> to in some way eliminate the paradigm of taskbar or dock items *representing
> *open windows and instead work with a unified system in which it is always
> the windows themselves that you are selecting. This could mean perhaps that
> visible windows do not appear in the taskbar, and that minimized windows are
> shown in the taskbar as live images of the window with overlayed text
> identifying it (this is pretty similar to minimized windows in Mac's dock).
> With intelligent implementation of multiple desktop spaces and 'expose' the
> need for a traditional taskbar diminishes.
>
> 'buttons' in the desktop manager should be for launching applications or
> other such actions. Active windows should be represented as exactly that:
> windows, even if in miniature form in a taskbar/dock or in a tiled form
> (expose).
>
> Anyways, just my 2 cents...
> -Sumit
>
> Webmaster, Jhnet.co.uk wrote:
>
> Docks are a problem (though the rest seems alright)
> 1) None of the docks out there work properly without compositing
> 2) None seem to be stable
> 3) They are not actually as good as a task bar (in many people's opinion)
> 4) The implementations that I have seen do not work as well as apples dock
> (which is only barley functional enough to be usable).
> 5) They take up way to much screen space for the functionality they offer
> (e.g. if you run several document windows you have a screen full of open
> office icons but no way to differentiate between them).
> So from these points I think docks would not be a good way to go (but if
> there is space I definitely thing they should be included, after all they
> are popular amongst some people, especially Mac refugees.
>
> I do think the rest of your suggestions were quite valid though, good
> ideas (at least worth including over some of the themes that come included
> with Ubuntu).
>
> Jonathan
>
> On 06/02/2008, sylvain marc <sam7.ubuntu at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Good, i think i could be here (i hope).
> >
> > The recent wallpaper "kuti heron" is a verry good idea...
> > (black for ubuntustudio / brown for ubuntu / bleue for kubuntu);
> > with the 3D effect (and 3D icones) by default when the PC could,
> > with cairo-dock & with ubuntu tweak...
> > & with a theme like murrina-leopardish modified or
> > orange-linstablacplastic...
> > ...i think it will be verry good.
> >
> >
> > What do you think about it ?
> >
> > Sam7
> >
> > 2008/2/5, Kenneth Wimer <kwwii at ubuntu.com>:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > We are slightly overdue for the next meeting. I suggest this Friday at
> > > 20:00
> > > UTC. Is this too soon for anyone? Too early/late? Ideas?
> > >
> > > Items for discussion are:
> > >
> > > 1) recent wallpaper submissions, testing by inclusion in the next
> > > build, etc.
> > >
> > > 2) 2D icons: currently underway, I am leaning towards using the simple
> > > 2D
> > > version for several reasons. Let's discuss this and find a way to move
> > > forward.
> > >
> > > 3) Testing the clear looks theme, adding to next build.
> > >
> > > ...more to come
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kenneth
> > >
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