[ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)

shadowh511 shadow.h511 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 4 22:32:15 BST 2008



On Aug 4, 2008, at 2:25 PM, "Ken Vermette" <vermette at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:08 PM, coz DS <cosimo321 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Thorsten Wilms <t_w_ at freenet.de>  
> wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 12:09 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote:
>
> > We need to be careful to avoid putting too many barriers in place.
> > Nothing stifles creativity and enthusiasm more than getting hit  
> with a
> > laundry list of rules and regulations you must comply with (well,
> > except maybe getting caught up in a flame over them).
>
> The chaos we have leads to nowhere.
> Enthusiasm that burns so faintly it doesn't even survive being told
> about rules that are strictly designed to make the live of mailing  
> list
> recipients easier is worth nothing, because that's all it will lead  
> to:
> nothing (but words).
>
> > I'm always eager to hear new ideas and thoughts on this list.  
> However
> > I am really tired of rants about etiquette. Every day I deal with
> > people who don't know that its best to trim posts or reply below the
> > original message. Its not my job to educate them, I simply lead by
> > example.
>
> You cannot lead if no one follows.
>
> What I'm tired about is single line replies combined with quoting  
> whole
> threads. How could one expect anything good regarding artwork, which  
> is
> much about communication, from people who are so ignorant about the  
> work
> others (would) have to invest to read their ... opinions?
>
> > I would suggest that we've probably lost more opportunities to do
> > something great as a team because of this top-posting fascism than
> > probably any other issue we've addressed.
>
> I take issue with you calling this fascism and regarding  
> opportunities,
> I point to my first paragraph.
>
>
> --
> Thorsten Wilms
>
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> Hey guys,
> Honestly is this top posting that big of a deal ?
> I also use gmail and hit reply. I have no idea if it is top or  
> bottom posting.
> so let me know if this is top or bottom.
> Maybe what needs to be done is ONE team in ONE area of the country  
> and ONLY THAT team be responsible for ALL ubuntu artwork. At least  
> unimportant art unrelated issues will be omitted.
> It would save time with no mailing lists required, and no rules of  
> posting to get in the way of the important stuff, no mailing list  
> attachments etc etc etc.
> What do you guys think?
>  I vote that the ONLY art team be located in Pittsburgh , PA  USA.
> coz
>
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>
> The point of having a community-accessible channel is the community  
> part. Having a "core" art team somewhere eliminates the community,  
> forces relocation and requires that everyone there be paid to be  
> there. Even 2 artists at $10/hr for 8 hours a day would cost $160/ 
> day, $800 for a 5 day week, $4000 a month, or $48,000 per year.
>
> No self-respecting artist would work for that much, so they would  
> have to be terrible artists to be that cheap. So suck it up, and  
> unless you want to personally spend $48,000+ to not need to follow  
> the top-posting rule... Just don't top post!!! As long as all the  
> old messages are -above- the scrawl of your new messages, mission  
> accomplished! If I can figure it out, anyone can.
>
> -Ken Vermette
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Why do we care about top posting again?


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