[ubuntu-art] Gutsy wallpaper observation

Mon Sep 24 12:18:10 BST 2007

Hi all,

After spending the weekend with my family it has taken quite a while to figure 
out exactly what is going on. Perhaps I should explain a few things.

First off, the version of the wallpaper inluded as default at this time will 
change. It will be a version much closer to the lighter, less grainy version  
found on the wiki.

The elephant pic will be included in the default package, replacing smooth 
chocolate. At the time I submitted the package there was not a large enough 
version of elephant to be included although I was in contact with the author. 
Originally he told me he would not have enough time to make a larger 
version - that changed and he did make a larger version so it will be 
included.

We did discuss this on the wiki, mailing list and irc for a longer time. I did 
mention a few days before that this pic (or a version of it) would be default 
and that the other pics would be included in another package.

For Hardy Heron I would like to see the community contribute more. We are 
setting up a meeting (email coming soon) and I would like to see everyone 
attend so that we can define rules and roles and figure out how to get as 
many people on board and working in one direction as possible. Also there is 
a new wiki page which will help, check it out:
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy

--
Kenneth

On Saturday 22 September 2007 20:25:34 Slogger wrote:
> I have to say that the given default for gutsy seems like a pretty poor
> choice. Wallpaper is one of the first things people see when looking at
> Ubuntu. It should be cool. It should be inspiring. It should not be some
> smeared brown abstraction of curves. There are at least 3 or 4 submitted
> wallpapers that I think most people would consider unequivocally better.
> In particular, I'd include the elephant wallpaper.
>
> Something else to note: In the past the wallpaper that (IMO) people have
> thought was the best wallpaper included by default is Dawn of Ubuntu.
> People liked it and noted it. I've never heard similar comments long
> after about any of the abstract wavy-glossy things that have been
> defaulted recently.
>
> All in all, I think the default wallpaper should be something that makes
> people stop and take a second look without overpowering. And it's very
> clear that the wallpaper in question fails.
>
> So yes it's past art submission deadline, but we had MUCH better art
> than that submitted before the deadline... so WHY did it get picked?
>
> -SK
>
>
>
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> >    1.  New member/ Gutsy wallpaper observation. (xl cheese)
> >    2. Re:  New member/ Gutsy wallpaper observation. (Andreas Nilsson)
> >    3. Re:  New member/ Gutsy wallpaper observation. (Valentyn Kukushkin)
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> > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:35:08 -0500
> > From: xl cheese <xl_cheese at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: [ubuntu-art] New member/ Gutsy wallpaper observation.
> > To: <ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > Message-ID: <BAY112-W201230F2FA34AF05FB473D99B40 at phx.gbl>
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> > Hi all.
> >
> > I joined because I was not sure if the ubuntu art team was aware of the
> > commotion regarding the gutsy default wallpaper.  The main complaints
> > are: -It's too dark
> > -Grainy
> > -Looks too much like Vista
> > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=555477
> >
> > For fun I stuck it on gnomelook to see how it would be rated.  It's only
> > been on the site for ~1hr and it's rated very low.
> > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Gutsy+Default?content=66683
> >
> > When comparing what was posted at ubuntuforums and the original design on
> > the wiki page it seems to have gotten darker.   Maybe we should consider
> > going with the original brightness and a higher quality (less grainy)
> > picture.
> >
> > I'd really like to become an active part of this team.  I'll need to dig
> > through the archives a bit to see where ya'll are at.
> >
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> > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:53:48 +0200
> > From: Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail at home.se>
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] New member/ Gutsy wallpaper observation.
> > To: xl cheese <xl_cheese at hotmail.com>
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> > xl cheese wrote:
> > > I joined because I was not sure if the ubuntu art team was aware of
> > > the commotion regarding the gutsy default wallpaper.  The main
> > > complaints are:
> > > -It's too dark
> > > -Grainy
> > > -Looks too much like Vista
> > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=555477
> > > <http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us>
> >
> > Hi!
> > As a background pictures are so simple to make, I'm afraid you will
> > never reach a consensus.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_of_the_bikeshed
> >
> > "Parkinson shows how you can go into the board of directors and get
> > approval for building a multi-million or even billion dollar atomic
> > power plant, but if you want to build a bike shed you will be tangled up
> > in endless discussions.
> >
> > Parkinson explains that this is because an atomic plant is so vast, so
> > expensive and so complicated that people cannot grasp it, and rather
> > than try, they fall back on the assumption that somebody else checked
> > all the details before it got this far. Richard P. Feynmann gives a
> > couple of interesting, and very much to the point, examples relating to
> > Los Alamos in his books.
> >
> > A bike shed on the other hand. Anyone can build one of those over a
> > weekend, and still have time to watch the game on TV. So no matter how
> > well prepared, no matter how reasonable you are with your proposal,
> > somebody will seize the chance to show that he is doing his job, that he
> > is paying attention, that he is /here/."
> > (from
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-P
> >AINTING)
> >
> > I would prefer to trust Kenneth on his decision.
> > - Andreas
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:52:13 +0200
> > From: "Valentyn Kukushkin" <valentyn.kukushkin at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] New member/ Gutsy wallpaper observation.
> > To: ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com
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> > I don't like that wallpaper either. It's way too dark and depressive. Who
> > made the choice anyway? I thought the community decides which wallpaper
> > will make its step into final release. Many people submitted their
> > proposal artwork and they weren't even asked which one they like... The
> > question is: should I submit any Artwork in the future?! But now it's too
> > late anyway, September the 20th was the deadline for submitting Artwork.
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