[ubuntu-art] [Ubuntu-Art] Hardy GTK theme

[tonic]

As an example of the problems faced. Open up the GIMP or Inkscape in a
dark theme. You may notice some of the tool icons become difficult to
identify, particularly in Inkscape.

tonic


On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 14:14 -0500, Corey Woodworth wrote:
> I agree, as much as I like dark themes, there are just too many kinks
> to work out. I do like the idea of packaging an aditional dark theme
> with hardy though. It would be a good base to build from if we wanted
> to make a dark theme default in hardy+1 
> 
> Corey
> 
> On Nov 7, 2007 1:50 PM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
> <mikkel.kamstrup at gmail.com> wrote:
>         On 07/11/2007, Matthew Nuzum <newz at bearfruit.org> wrote:
>                 On Nov 7, 2007 12:14 AM, Troy James Sobotka
>                 <troy.sobotka at gmail.com> wrote:
>                         Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
>                         Another problem with dark themes is a purely
>                         technical one. I've done a
>                         handful dark themes myself, but they always
>                         end up with small glitches
>                         here and there because not all apps are
>                         designed to respect the theme 
>                         100% This makes for a bit of an amateurish
>                         feel in the long run. That is
>                         not acceptable for Hardy.
>                         
>                         I always seem to find myself in agreement with
>                         Mikkel's observations
>                         and conclusions.
>                 
>                 One thing we may want to consider is quickly getting a
>                 dark theme in place in Hardy so that by Alpha 1, which
>                 is released November 29th, we can start getting bug
>                 reports on these problems.
>                 
>                 This could be as simple as including the ubuntu-studio
>                 theme, or it could be more advanced. I think the key
>                 is to get something in soon. Core devs are *already*
>                 running hardy, and in large part, they (not us) will
>                 need to help identify and communicate these problems
>                 to upstream. 
>                 
>                 I can personally attest that a dark theme can be
>                 usable and very attractive. It is challenging to
>                 achieve a balance and to get your applications working
>                 and looking good. The beauty of a dark theme is it
>                 draws your eyes to your work, which will have a
>                 lighter color, and in a way relegates the controls and
>                 chrome to a less prominent positions without actually
>                 putting them in an unusual or unexpected place.
>         
>         This is exactly my problem with dark themes - the contrast
>         between the surroundings  and the document I edit is too big.
>         My eyes get sore after a few hours.
>         
>         For hacking in GEdit this is not a big problem because I can
>         have a dark theme there too, but for OpenOffice I just *need*
>         that white backgound. It is silly to have a wysiwyg editor
>         where there colors are not what other people will see. 
>         
>         
>                 An additional challenge with this type of functional
>                 art is to not be too clever. It still needs to be
>                 functional. 
>                 
>                 Hmm... that might be a cool name for the new theme:
>                 functional-art.
>         
>         On top of my previous points I simply do not believe that we
>         can smooth out the rough edges (non-theme-compliant-apps) on a
>         dark theme in 6 months. Hardy should be enterprise level and
>         we cannot achieve that on a dark theme in that time frame.
>         Fixing the apps require real developers, not just themers, and
>         we are really short on those. 
>         
>         
>         
>         Please not that I really do like dark themes. Maybe we should
>         just bundle a dark version of the final theme.
>         
>         
>         Cheers,
>         Mikkel
>         
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