[ubuntu-art] R: ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 18, Issue 1
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> 1. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans
> for feisty (Mirco M?ller)
> 2. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans
> for feisty (Troy James Sobotka)
> 3. Re: ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 17, Issue 24 (Alberto Pompa)
> 4. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans
> for feisty (Chuck Huber)
> 5. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans
> for feisty (Alex Fraser)
> 6. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans
> for feisty (Mirco M?ller)
> 7. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans
> for feisty (Mirco M?ller)
> 8. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans
> for feisty (Chuck Huber)
> 9. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans
> for feisty (Who)
> 10. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans
> for feisty (Mirco M?ller)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:05:58 +0100
>From: Mirco M?ller <macslow at bangang.de>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with
> artwork-plans for feisty
>To: Chuck Huber <chuck at lagunadata.com>
>Cc: ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com
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>Greetings Chuck!
>
>Am Mittwoch, den 29.11.2006, 21:07 -0800 schrieb Chuck Huber:
>
>> As Troy mentioned, you'll have to speak with Mark about "any non-obvious
>> things in the pipe". :(
>
> Ok. I've learned that Mark has the final word on what goes in and what
>does not "visual appeal"-wise.
>
>> I had a thought about your(or any) face chooser and concerns you raised
>> at the bottom of your wiki page regarding security. As an IT manager
>> there are times that I don't want to give away ANY more information than
>> I absolutely have to-- so a face chooser probably won't be a fit on
>> every machine in any one organization.
>
> The face-browser can be disabled, of course. It's only new that is will
>be enabled by default.
>
>> That said, your design looks excellent and it would be a shame to let 1
>> out of a 100 machines slow your progress. Therefore would it be
>> possible to have your face chooser put(non-scrolling) Ubuntu artwork in
>> place of the faces via an option? That way, managers can keep the same
>> great aesthetics as typical desktop computers, but by selecting the
>> "Turn off face browser" feature it can be used for servers.
>
> Hm... so do I get you right here... you suggest that in addition to
>having the option to simply turn off the face-browser (thus using the
>normal gdm-code which is in place already), it should offer mode of
>operation using fall-back photos not revealing _any_ actual user-photos
>(btw a fall-back photo will be used in the case of the face-browser
>being enabled and some user not having provided a photo for the
>face-browser)? If that's the case, this would be a bit odd and not make
>much sense :)
>
>Please explain your idea a bit more in detail.
>
>Best regards...
>
>Mirco "MacSlow" M?ller
>
>--
>email - macslow at bangang.de
>www - http://macslow.thepimp.net
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:10:30 -0800
>From: Troy James Sobotka <troy.sobotka at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with
> artwork-plans for feisty
>To: Ubuntu Art <ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID: <1164913830.13232.14.camel at 64bit>
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>On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 15:05 +0100, Mirco M?ller wrote:
>> Ok. I've learned that Mark has the final word on what goes in and what
>> does not "visual appeal"-wise.
>
>The spec shows screenshots against a black background. I hope Mark is
>coordinating that design of the default GDM with the default look for
>Feisty.
>
>There has _always_ existed a design gap between the developers and the
>design, but perhaps pushing the issue this early could be one baby step
>towards remedying this problem.
>
>Hopefully the 'design' of the system will go a little further in
>discourse than having the decision based on a few screenshots. The
>entire orchestration with the rest of Ubuntu's design should be
>considered -- especially at the point where we have a good deal of
>latitude.
>
>Great work Mirco -- can't wait to see the end product!
>
>Sincerely,
>TJS
>
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>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:06:16 +0100
>From: Alberto Pompa <albertopompa at fastwebnet.it>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 17, Issue 24
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>ubuntu-art-request at lists.ubuntu.com ha scritto:
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>> 1. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans
>> for feisty (Chuck Huber)
>>
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:07:58 -0800
>> From: Chuck Huber <chuck at lagunadata.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with
>> artwork-plans for feisty
>> To: Mirco M?ller <macslow at bangang.de>
>> Cc: ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Message-ID: <1164863278.5758.308.camel at localhost>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
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>> Mirco,
>> yes, your work is fantastic and this project looks especially promising.
>> As Troy mentioned, you'll have to speak with Mark about "any non-obvious
>> things in the pipe". :(
>>
>> I had a thought about your(or any) face chooser and concerns you raised
>> at the bottom of your wiki page regarding security. As an IT manager
>> there are times that I don't want to give away ANY more information than
>> I absolutely have to-- so a face chooser probably won't be a fit on
>> every machine in any one organization.
>>
>> That said, your design looks excellent and it would be a shame to let 1
>> out of a 100 machines slow your progress. Therefore would it be
>> possible to have your face chooser put(non-scrolling) Ubuntu artwork in
>> place of the faces via an option? That way, managers can keep the same
>> great aesthetics as typical desktop computers, but by selecting the
>> "Turn off face browser" feature it can be used for servers.
>>
>> Just an idea,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 22:15 +0100, Mirco M?ller wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings pixel/vector-pushers!
>>>
>>> I'm new here and as a quick introduction I want to point you to my page
>>> on the ubuntu-wiki...
>>>
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Macslow
>>>
>>> For the spec on the face-browser I want to get any possible ideas to
>>> further streamline the mockups with any planned artwork for feisty. Thus
>>> I'm exposing myself and the spec I wrote at UDS 2006 on this
>>> mailing-list.
>>>
>>> Have a look here...
>>>
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FaceBrowserLogin
>>>
>>> How to achieve those effects will be my concern so don't just go
>>> "That's impossible!" :) I had the general idea, I'll make sure to put
>>> that into working code.
>>>
>>> I tried to keep the "visual gap" between usplash and gdm (for the case
>>> of the face-browser, which is planned to be on by default for feisty) as
>>> small as possible. But if there are any non-obvious things in the pipe
>>> for feisty in the domain of artwork or general themes/colors, please let
>>> me know.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Best regards...
>>>
>>> Mirco "MacSlow" M?ller
>>>
>>> --
>>> email - macslow at bangang.de
>>> www - http://macslow.thepimp.net
>>> lowfat - http://macslow.thepimp.net/sponsor-it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:15:18 -0800
>From: Chuck Huber <chuck at lagunadata.com>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with
> artwork-plans for feisty
>To: Mirco M?ller <macslow at bangang.de>
>Cc: Ubuntu-Art <ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID: <1164939318.5758.376.camel at localhost>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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>On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 15:05 +0100, Mirco M?ller wrote:
>> Greetings Chuck!
><snip>
>> The face-browser can be disabled, of course. It's only new that is will
>> be enabled by default.
>>
>OK, this was my main point and I wasn't sure whether your GDM theme
>would be able to work as a face-browser and non face-browser.
>> > That said, your design looks excellent and it would be a shame to let 1
>> > out of a 100 machines slow your progress. Therefore would it be
>> > possible to have your face chooser put(non-scrolling) Ubuntu artwork in
>> > place of the faces via an option? That way, managers can keep the same
>> > great aesthetics as typical desktop computers, but by selecting the
>> > "Turn off face browser" feature it can be used for servers.
>>
>> Hm... so do I get you right here... you suggest that in addition to
>> having the option to simply turn off the face-browser (thus using the
>> normal gdm-code which is in place already), it should offer mode of
>> operation using fall-back photos not revealing _any_ actual user-photos
>> (btw a fall-back photo will be used in the case of the face-browser
>> being enabled and some user not having provided a photo for the
>> face-browser)? If that's the case, this would be a bit odd and not make
>> much sense :)
>>
>> Please explain your idea a bit more in detail.
>>
>Well, it was an after thought, that you could keep a similar look by
>simply swapping out the faces for a single image that is just as
>attractive and maybe shares similar characteristics to the face-browser
>itself.
>>
>--
>Chuck Huber <chuck at lagunadata.com>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:54:39 +0900
>From: Alex Fraser <spam at phatcore.com>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with
> artwork-plans for feisty
>To: Chuck Huber <chuck at lagunadata.com>
>Cc: Ubuntu-Art <ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID: <1164941679.5422.15.camel at localhost>
>Content-Type: text/plain
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>Hi!
>
>Having any browser at all lowers the security a little, because it gives
>away user names or at least tells you how many users are on the system.
>That said, I'd love to use a browser like this on my system!
>
>On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 18:15 -0800, Chuck Huber wrote:
>> Well, it was an after thought, that you could keep a similar look by
>> simply swapping out the faces for a single image that is just as
>> attractive and maybe shares similar characteristics to the face-browser
>> itself.
>
>So, you're suggesting that the browser should remain, but not be
>interactive (purely aesthetic)? So the user still needs to type in their
>username. Sounds good to me, although whatever replaces the browser will
>need to look different enough that the user doesn't think it's still
>interactive.
>
>Cheers,
>Alex
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:20:47 +0100
>From: Mirco M?ller <macslow at bangang.de>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with
> artwork-plans for feisty
>To: Ubuntu-Art <ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID: <1164943247.5957.1.camel at localhost.localdomain>
>Content-Type: text/plain
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>Am Freitag, den 01.12.2006, 11:54 +0900 schrieb Alex Fraser:
>
>> So, you're suggesting that the browser should remain, but not be
>> interactive (purely aesthetic)? So the user still needs to type in their
>> username. Sounds good to me, although whatever replaces the browser will
>> need to look different enough that the user doesn't think it's still
>> interactive.
>
> A first idea for this would be to make everything greyed out in this
>case. Thus it would stick to the look, but clearly indicate that the
>"some mode" has changed That way
>
>Best regards...
>
>MacSlow
>
>--
>email - macslow at bangang.de
>www - http://macslow.thepimp.net
>lowfat - http://macslow.thepimp.net/sponsor-it
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>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:23:49 +0100
>From: Mirco M?ller <macslow at bangang.de>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with
> artwork-plans for feisty
>To: Alex Fraser <spam at phatcore.com>
>Cc: Ubuntu-Art <ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID: <1164943429.5957.4.camel at localhost.localdomain>
>Content-Type: text/plain
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>Am Freitag, den 01.12.2006, 11:54 +0900 schrieb Alex Fraser:
>
>> So, you're suggesting that the browser should remain, but not be
>> interactive (purely aesthetic)? So the user still needs to type in their
>> username. Sounds good to me, although whatever replaces the browser will
>> need to look different enough that the user doesn't think it's still
>> interactive.
>
> And I should add... make things more transparent (to counter the case
>every user chose a b/w photo of her/himself).
>
>I'll update the mockups for this case.
>
>Best regards...
>
>MacSlow
>
>--
>email - macslow at bangang.de
>www - http://macslow.thepimp.net
>lowfat - http://macslow.thepimp.net/sponsor-it
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 8
>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:27:52 -0800
>From: Chuck Huber <chuck at lagunadata.com>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with
> artwork-plans for feisty
>To: Alex Fraser <spam at phatcore.com>
>Cc: Ubuntu-Art <ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID: <1164943672.5758.390.camel at localhost>
>Content-Type: text/plain
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>On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 11:54 +0900, Alex Fraser wrote:
><snip>
>>
>> So, you're suggesting that the browser should remain, but not be
>> interactive (purely aesthetic)? So the user still needs to type in their
>> username. Sounds good to me, although whatever replaces the browser will
>> need to look different enough that the user doesn't think it's still
>> interactive.
><snip>
>That is true. Then it would appear broken which wouldn't be so hot.
>Mirco's greyed out idea might look neat. It could still contain color
>but it would be muted.
>
>Dreaming here but wouldn't hit be cool if the GDM theme just sorta
>blended right into the desktop after logging in? I must admit, I
>wouldn't have even mentioned that had MacSlow not been included in the
>thread. ;)
>>
>--
>Chuck Huber <chuck at lagunadata.com>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 04:13:05 +0000
>From: Who <mailforwho at googlemail.com>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with
> artwork-plans for feisty
>To: " ?tienne Bersac " <bersace03 at laposte.net>
>Cc: ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com
>Message-ID:
> <7e37b1f70611302013y3748503ax5a81102431cdfe43 at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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>On 11/28/06, ?tienne Bersac <bersace03 at laposte.net> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Your work on linux desktop is incredible. Thank you. Keep up the good
>> work !
>>
>> I guess that before nice effect for face browser, the most important is
>> transition effect between boot <-> login <-> session <-> logout <-> shut
>> down.
>>
>
>I think you've got a good point here - the transition is quite scrappy
>and unpolished currently - however is there any way to fix this? as I
>understand it (which is not very well...) unless we want to run GDM in
>the same graphics mode as the usplash (which we don't...) then we
>can't avoid the flashing
>
>The two things I think we could avoid would be
>- The lines of text we get between grub (which would be nicer if it
>wasn't plain text) and usplash ("what's the kernel, why is it
>unpacking an image?" says Joe User)
>
>- The plain background seen behind the lsplash after login: could we
>make the GDM and the lsplash more unified so that the GDM bg doesn't
>go until the user's desktop has loaded?
>
>> Seeing Vista and OS X, Vista has nice face browser, but OS X has far far
>> better transition. Screen flickering and other visual noise are far more
>> ugly than typing username. I would largely prefer a system with nice
>> transition and consistency than a system with eye candy effects for
>> basic feature.
>>
>
>Other considerations that may need to be made are
>- Is there a way to set a maximum number of users, above which no face
>browser is shown (I.E if there are 300 users on a system - don't load
>all the photos!)
>- How do we make it _easy_ for people to turn face browser off
>_completely_ without seriously damaging the way the GDM theme looks.
>
>Note: laoding no images is different from loading no face browser: if
>there are no images you can still see that there is a user called
>'monkeyman' on the system, but with no face browser there is no way to
>tell who can log on at all.
>
>To me, it seems like it might be time to have a 'user experience'
>wizard as an optional part of the installer to select things like:
>theme, face browser style, whether to use aiglx, etc. Mandrake had one
>of these when I first tried Linux and it made me aware of all the
>configuration options I had - very simple but helped me discover
>features without being daunting.
>
>The idea looks really cool, by the way!
>
>Who
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 10
>Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:53:25 +0100
>From: Mirco M?ller <macslow at bangang.de>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with
> artwork-plans for feisty
>To: ubuntu-art at lists.ubuntu.com
>Message-ID: <1164959605.5557.28.camel at localhost.localdomain>
>Content-Type: text/plain
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>Am Freitag, den 01.12.2006, 04:13 +0000 schrieb Who:
>
>> > I guess that before nice effect for face browser, the most important is
>> > transition effect between boot <-> login <-> session <-> logout <-> shut
>> > down.
>> >
>>
>> I think you've got a good point here - the transition is quite scrappy
>> and unpolished currently - however is there any way to fix this? as I
>> understand it (which is not very well...) unless we want to run GDM in
>> the same graphics mode as the usplash (which we don't...) then we
>> can't avoid the flashing
>
> Making all those transitions seamless is very involved and actually a
>seperate spec. But I'll look into at least the gdm->session transition
>to get some bling-love in terms of a subtle fade-in/out... if it won't
>distract me from the actual work on the face-browser.
>
> All those transition-issues would not be a hard problem to solve if we
>were going from text-mode (kernel booting) right into X11. And there are
>also those different heads that might be running... transitions between
>them or logging in as another user (while being already logged in) make
>this a difficult task.
>
>> The two things I think we could avoid would be
>> - The lines of text we get between grub (which would be nicer if it
>> wasn't plain text) and usplash ("what's the kernel, why is it
>> unpacking an image?" says Joe User)
>
>Hm... that sounds like it's usplash's task.
>
>> - The plain background seen behind the lsplash after login: could we
>> make the GDM and the lsplash more unified so that the GDM bg doesn't
>> go until the user's desktop has loaded?
>
> Ehm... I'm planning to use the usplash artwork in the face-browser to
>provide this unified look (see the mockups).
>
>> - Is there a way to set a maximum number of users, above which no face
>> browser is shown (I.E if there are 300 users on a system - don't load
>> all the photos!)
>
> I've some ideas for those cases. But I'll have to code and test them
>out.
>
>> - How do we make it _easy_ for people to turn face browser off
>> _completely_ without seriously damaging the way the GDM theme looks.
>>
>> Note: laoding no images is different from loading no face browser: if
>> there are no images you can still see that there is a user called
>> 'monkeyman' on the system, but with no face browser there is no way to
>> tell who can log on at all.
>>
>> To me, it seems like it might be time to have a 'user experience'
>> wizard as an optional part of the installer to select things like:
>> theme, face browser style, whether to use aiglx, etc. Mandrake had one
>> of these when I first tried Linux and it made me aware of all the
>> configuration options I had - very simple but helped me discover
>> features without being daunting.
>
> I'm not going to code a fully themeable GL face-browser for gdm and
>hack a ton on gdmsetup. That would make the work ahead of me explode.
>Furthermore I also don't want to make to heavy "intrusions" in gdm's
>overall framework. I want to make one part of gdm sweet, sexy and
>simple... and finish on time :)
>
>Best regards...
>
>MacSlow
>
>--
>email - macslow at bangang.de
>www - http://macslow.thepimp.net
>lowfat - http://macslow.thepimp.net/sponsor-it
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