installing ubuntu with speakup

Volodymyr Dorozhinsky dorozhinsky at ukr.net
Mon Feb 13 21:31:30 UTC 2023


Hi,


also to exclude sound problems in the

pty pts/0 console one can test it by running in in it:

speaker-test -c 1

If everything fine You should hear some noise.

Best regards
Volodymyr


On 2/13/23 06:39, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> In orca if you go into terminal then temporarily turn orca off then do:
> spd-say "Hello World!\n"
> Do you get any speech?
> If yes, turn orca back on then run spd-conf in that user terminal.
> You want a new configuration and you want a user configuration.
> One of the choices on the next prompts should be for espeak-ng.
> take that choice.
> alsa should be another choice to take.
> Then test everything and see what comes back
> I think what's going on is speech-dispatcher thinks you only have orca
> running on your system and doesn't yet know about espeak-ng.
> There may also be a connector package espeak-ng needs so it can work.
> Some users don't like linux installing dependency packages and if you are
> one of them you could have got yourself into this kind of trouble if the
> connector package wasn't installed.
> Probably by tomorrow I'll be getting one or more answers back from the
> speakup list in which case we'll get this sorted out for you.
>
>
>
> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
> defense of liberty:
>   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
>> modprobe: FATAL: Module speakup.speakup_soft not found in directory
>> /lib/modules/5.15.0-60-generic
>>
>> --David
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 7:54 PM
>> To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
>> <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>>
>> Try modprobe speakup.speakup_soft see if you get an error then.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com>
>> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>>   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>>
>> .
>>
>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>>
>>> Modprobe speakup_soft gives no output [no news is good news]
>>>
>>> Still no speech, insmod still fails
>>>
>>> --David
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 6:21 PM
>>> To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
>>> <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>>>
>>> First try modprobe speakup_soft.  If you don't get speech, could be
>>> insmod speakup_soft works.  If insmod gives no errors and you get no
>>> speech after that, try modprobe speakup_soft.
>>> make sure sysctl enable speakup.service is set.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
>>> defense of liberty:
>>>   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>>>
>>>> insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup-soft: No such file or
>>>> directory
>>>> insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup_soft: No such file or
>>>> directory
>>>>
>>>> however if I do lsmod it shows it is there [speakup_soft not
>>>> speakup-soft?]
>>>>
>>>> speakup_soft           16384  1
>>>> speakup               167936  1 speakup_soft
>>>>
>>>> --David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:20 PM
>>>> To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
>>>> <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>>>>
>>>> Try running insmod speakup-soft and see if you get an error.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
>>>> defense of liberty:
>>>>   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure what I did/didn't, I think it could be the version
>>>>> update
>>>> that did the trick, I now see the speakup_soft module available, but
>>>> I am still not getting speech on the console, which is about where I
>>>> was about 2 clean installs ago ...
>>>>>
>>>>> david at ubuntu:~$ inxi -S
>>>>> System:
>>>>>    Host: ubuntu Kernel: 5.15.0-60-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Console:
>>>>> pty
>>>> pts/0
>>>>>      Distro: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) david at ubuntu:~$
>>>>> systemctl status espeakup.service ? espeakup.service - Software
>>>>> speech output for Speakup
>>>>>       Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service;
>>>>> enabled; vendor
>>>> preset: enabled)
>>>>>       Active: active (running) since Sun 2023-02-12 23:07:44 UTC;
>>>>> 9min
>>> ago
>>>>>         Docs: man:espeakup(8)
>>>>>      Process: 753 ExecStartPre=modprobe speakup_soft (code=exited,
>>>> status=0/SUCCESS)
>>>>>      Process: 784 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup
>>>> --default-voice=${default_voice} (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
>>>>>     Main PID: 798 (espeakup)
>>>>>        Tasks: 5 (limit: 6880)
>>>>>       Memory: 10.5M
>>>>>          CPU: 183ms
>>>>>       CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
>>>>>               ??798 /usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=
>>>>>
>>>>> Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting Software speech output
>>>>> for
>>>> Speakup...
>>>>> Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started Software speech output
>>>>> for
>>>> Speakup.
>>>>> david at ubuntu:~$
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I missing something?
>>>>>
>>>>> --David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Volodymyr Dorozhinsky <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 6:05 AM
>>>>> To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Jude DaShiell'
>>>>> <jdashiel at panix.com>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Ubuntu-Server does not come with speakup kernel module? At
>>>>> least in
>>>> my both setups of Ubuntu-Mate 20.04 and 22.04 I did not have to
>>>> install it manually.
>>>>> Here is an output from my 20.04 machine:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> dorozhinsky2 at dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ inxi -S
>>>>> System:    Host: dell-Inspiron-5570 Kernel: 5.15.0-58-generic x86_64
>>>>> bits: 64 Desktop: MATE 1.24.0
>>>>>              Distro: Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS (Focal Fossa)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> dorozhinsky2 at dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ systemctl status espeakup.service ?
>>>>> espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup
>>>>>        Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service;
>>>>> enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
>>>>>        Active: active (running) since Tue 2023-02-07 14:40:05 CET;
>>>>> 22min
>>>> ago
>>>>>          Docs: man:espeakup(8)
>>>>>      Main PID: 1366 (espeakup)
>>>>>         Tasks: 4 (limit: 9260)
>>>>>        Memory: 6.3M
>>>>>        CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
>>>>>                ??1366 /usr/bin/espeakup -V
>>>>>
>>>>> Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Starting Software
>>>>> speech output for Speakup...
>>>>> Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Started Software
>>>>> speech output for Speakup.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Volodymyr
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/7/23 04:57, David wrote:
>>>>>> I guess I am lucky I have had good experience with Debian so far.
>>>>>> It was suggested that ubuntu is supposed to work better with the
>>>>>> hardware I am about to be installing on [at work] but since I am
>>>>>> testing on some different hardware [at home] I can't tell if
>>>>>> that is true or not
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --David
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 7:34 PM
>>>>>> To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
>>>>>> <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You would have to make the right choices in debian to get what
>>>>>> you want they're not default.  I've done much of it before but
>>>>>> found slint far more straightforward to get this process working
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
>>>>>> used in defense of liberty:
>>>>>>    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>>>>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the info, it's been a while since I was last at an
>>>>>>> in-person meeting, so that might not be a bad idea, except for
>>>>>>> lugging all the equipment along
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, from your description it does not sound like it is an
>>>>>>> easily repeatable process, so I will have to seriously consider
>>>>>>> looking into switching the distro to, say, Debian, or something
>>>>>>> that would hopefully work 'out of the box'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 5:44 PM
>>>>>>> To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
>>>>>>> <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some distributions have a section where you get to choose what
>>>>>>> kernel and version of kernel you want to install.  If ubuntu
>>>>>>> hasn't got generic kernel available you can't do it with ubuntu
>>>>>>> until after installation and doing that isn't a trivial process
>>>>>>> either It's a matter of downloading the kernel image file then
>>>>>>> installing it over the kernel ubuntu put on your disk.  Best
>>>>>>> done by linux experts at the linux user's group install linux
>>>>>>> club day
>>> meeting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
>>>>>>> used in defense of liberty:
>>>>>>>    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>>>>>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How do one use the generic kernel while installing?  I just
>>>>>>>> pop the disk in, boot, and follow the questions [well, someone
>>>>>>>> is reading them to me]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 2:00 PM
>>>>>>>> To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
>>>>>>>> <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you had the option to use generic kernel when doing a
>>>>>>>> reinstall the speakup modules are in that kernel.  How you
>>>>>>>> install missing modules is possible if on your disk in source
>>>>>>>> code but you'll have to build them correctly first.  If you
>>>>>>>> had mlocate package installed and had done updatedb first then
>>>>>>>> you could do locate speakup_soft and find if you have that
>>>>>>>> module in source code on your
>>>> disk.
>>>>>>>> Alternatively ubuntu in its customizations could have
>>>>>>>> blacklisted all of the speakup modules.  They would be on the
>>>>>>>> disk and would have first to be removed from the blacklist
>>>>>>>> then built and then installed.  It's a complicated
>>>>>>> process, just the way ubuntu wants it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
>>>>>>>> used in defense of liberty:
>>>>>>>>    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>>>>>>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, then I guess adding the module manually myself, if that
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>> possible?
>>>>>>>>> --David
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 1:17 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
>>>>>>>>> <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apparently, ubuntu rolled its custom kernel and excluded all
>>>>>>>>> of the speakup modules.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
>>>>>>>>> used in defense of liberty:
>>>>>>>>>    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>>>>>>>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, I can always do another clean install, but it
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't appear the speakup module is there after the
>>>>>>>>>> install, at least I am unable to find it in the module list,
>>>>>>>>>> and modprobe doesn't seems to be able to find it either
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   From the output it appears espeakup is also looking for it
>>>>>>>>>> and wasn't able to, thus asking if someone has step-by-step
>>>>>>>>>> instructions to make sure I didn't missed anything
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --David
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 12:37 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
>>>>>>>>>> <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It may be time to install fenrirscreenreader.  That or
>>>>>>>>>> replace ubuntu with
>>>>>>>>> another distribution.
>>>>>>>>>> You can get much cleaner output by appending 2>&1|tee -a
>>>>>>>>>> espeak.log to
>>>>>>>>> each command then read down through espeak.log once you
>>>>>>>>> finish getting all of these failures.  The ansi codes get
>>>>>>>>> stripped out that
>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
>>>>>>>>>> used in defense of liberty:
>>>>>>>>>>    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>>>>>>>>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>



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