installing ubuntu with speakup

Jude DaShiell jdashiel at panix.com
Mon Feb 13 03:53:55 UTC 2023


Try modprobe speakup.speakup_soft see if you get an error then.



Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com>
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

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On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:

>
> Modprobe speakup_soft gives no output [no news is good news]
>
> Still no speech, insmod still fails
>
> --David
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 6:21 PM
> To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
>
> First try modprobe speakup_soft.  If you don't get speech, could be insmod
> speakup_soft works.  If insmod gives no errors and you get no speech after
> that, try modprobe speakup_soft.
> make sure sysctl enable speakup.service is set.
>
>
>
> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense
> of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>
> .
>
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
>
> >
> > insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup-soft: No such file or
> > directory
> > insmod: ERROR: could not load module speakup_soft: No such file or
> > directory
> >
> > however if I do lsmod it shows it is there [speakup_soft not
> > speakup-soft?]
> >
> > speakup_soft           16384  1
> > speakup               167936  1 speakup_soft
> >
> > --David
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:20 PM
> > To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> >
> > Try running insmod speakup-soft and see if you get an error.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
> > defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> >
> > .
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I am not sure what I did/didn't, I think it could be the version
> > > update
> > that did the trick, I now see the speakup_soft module available, but I
> > am still not getting speech on the console, which is about where I was
> > about 2 clean installs ago ...
> > >
> > >
> > > david at ubuntu:~$ inxi -S
> > > System:
> > >   Host: ubuntu Kernel: 5.15.0-60-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Console:
> > > pty
> > pts/0
> > >     Distro: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) david at ubuntu:~$
> > > systemctl status espeakup.service ? espeakup.service - Software
> > > speech output for Speakup
> > >      Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled;
> > > vendor
> > preset: enabled)
> > >      Active: active (running) since Sun 2023-02-12 23:07:44 UTC; 9min
> ago
> > >        Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> > >     Process: 753 ExecStartPre=modprobe speakup_soft (code=exited,
> > status=0/SUCCESS)
> > >     Process: 784 ExecStart=/usr/bin/espeakup
> > --default-voice=${default_voice} (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
> > >    Main PID: 798 (espeakup)
> > >       Tasks: 5 (limit: 6880)
> > >      Memory: 10.5M
> > >         CPU: 183ms
> > >      CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
> > >              ??798 /usr/bin/espeakup --default-voice=
> > >
> > > Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Starting Software speech output
> > > for
> > Speakup...
> > > Feb 12 23:07:44 ubuntu systemd[1]: Started Software speech output
> > > for
> > Speakup.
> > > david at ubuntu:~$
> > >
> > > Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > --David
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Volodymyr Dorozhinsky <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2023 6:05 AM
> > > To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Jude DaShiell' <jdashiel at panix.com>;
> > > ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Subject: Re: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe Ubuntu-Server does not come with speakup kernel module? At
> > > least in
> > my both setups of Ubuntu-Mate 20.04 and 22.04 I did not have to
> > install it manually.
> > >
> > > Here is an output from my 20.04 machine:
> > >
> > >
> > > dorozhinsky2 at dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ inxi -S
> > > System:    Host: dell-Inspiron-5570 Kernel: 5.15.0-58-generic x86_64
> > > bits: 64 Desktop: MATE 1.24.0
> > >             Distro: Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS (Focal Fossa)
> > >
> > >
> > > dorozhinsky2 at dell-Inspiron-5570:~$ systemctl status espeakup.service ?
> > > espeakup.service - Software speech output for Speakup
> > >       Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/espeakup.service; enabled;
> > > vendor preset: enabled)
> > >       Active: active (running) since Tue 2023-02-07 14:40:05 CET;
> > > 22min
> > ago
> > >         Docs: man:espeakup(8)
> > >     Main PID: 1366 (espeakup)
> > >        Tasks: 4 (limit: 9260)
> > >       Memory: 6.3M
> > >       CGroup: /system.slice/espeakup.service
> > >               ??1366 /usr/bin/espeakup -V
> > >
> > > Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Starting Software
> > > speech output for Speakup...
> > > Feb 07 14:40:05 dell-Inspiron-5570 systemd[1]: Started Software
> > > speech output for Speakup.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > > Volodymyr
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/7/23 04:57, David wrote:
> > > > I guess I am lucky I have had good experience with Debian so far.
> > > > It was suggested that ubuntu is supposed to work better with the
> > > > hardware I am about to be installing on [at work] but since I am
> > > > testing on some different hardware [at home] I can't tell if that
> > > > is true or not
> > > >
> > > > --David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 7:34 PM
> > > > To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > > <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > > >
> > > > You would have to make the right choices in debian to get what you
> > > > want they're not default.  I've done much of it before but found
> > > > slint far more straightforward to get this process working
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used
> > > > in defense of liberty:
> > > >   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Thanks for the info, it's been a while since I was last at an
> > > >> in-person meeting, so that might not be a bad idea, except for
> > > >> lugging all the equipment along
> > > >>
> > > >> However, from your description it does not sound like it is an
> > > >> easily repeatable process, so I will have to seriously consider
> > > >> looking into switching the distro to, say, Debian, or something
> > > >> that would hopefully work 'out of the box'
> > > >>
> > > >> --David
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
> > > >> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 5:44 PM
> > > >> To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > >> <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > >> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > > >>
> > > >> Some distributions have a section where you get to choose what
> > > >> kernel and version of kernel you want to install.  If ubuntu
> > > >> hasn't got generic kernel available you can't do it with ubuntu
> > > >> until after installation and doing that isn't a trivial process
> > > >> either It's a matter of downloading the kernel image file then
> > > >> installing it over the kernel ubuntu put on your disk.  Best done
> > > >> by linux experts at the linux user's group install linux club day
> meeting.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used
> > > >> in defense of liberty:
> > > >>   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > >> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > > >>
> > > >> .
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> How do one use the generic kernel while installing?  I just pop
> > > >>> the disk in, boot, and follow the questions [well, someone is
> > > >>> reading them to me]
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --David
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
> > > >>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 2:00 PM
> > > >>> To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > >>> <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > >>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If you had the option to use generic kernel when doing a
> > > >>> reinstall the speakup modules are in that kernel.  How you
> > > >>> install missing modules is possible if on your disk in source
> > > >>> code but you'll have to build them correctly first.  If you had
> > > >>> mlocate package installed and had done updatedb first then you
> > > >>> could do locate speakup_soft and find if you have that module in
> > > >>> source code on your
> > disk.
> > > >>> Alternatively ubuntu in its customizations could have
> > > >>> blacklisted all of the speakup modules.  They would be on the
> > > >>> disk and would have first to be removed from the blacklist then
> > > >>> built and then installed.  It's a complicated
> > > >> process, just the way ubuntu wants it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
> > > >>> used in defense of liberty:
> > > >>>   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > >>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> .
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> OK, then I guess adding the module manually myself, if that is
> > > > possible?
> > > >>>> --David
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
> > > >>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 1:17 PM
> > > >>>> To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > >>>> <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > >>>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Apparently, ubuntu rolled its custom kernel and excluded all of
> > > >>>> the speakup modules.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
> > > >>>> used in defense of liberty:
> > > >>>>   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > >>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> .
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2023, David wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks, I can always do another clean install, but it doesn't
> > > >>>>> appear the speakup module is there after the install, at least
> > > >>>>> I am unable to find it in the module list, and modprobe
> > > >>>>> doesn't seems to be able to find it either
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>  From the output it appears espeakup is also looking for it
> > > >>>>> and wasn't able to, thus asking if someone has step-by-step
> > > >>>>> instructions to make sure I didn't missed anything
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks again ?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> --David
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>
> > > >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2023 12:37 PM
> > > >>>>> To: David <bearsfo at yahoo.com>; 'Volodymyr Dorozhinsky'
> > > >>>>> <dorozhinsky at ukr.net>; ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com
> > > >>>>> Subject: RE: installing ubuntu with speakup
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> It may be time to install fenrirscreenreader.  That or replace
> > > >>>>> ubuntu with
> > > >>>> another distribution.
> > > >>>>> You can get much cleaner output by appending 2>&1|tee -a
> > > >>>>> espeak.log to
> > > >>>> each command then read down through espeak.log once you finish
> > > >>>> getting all of these failures.  The ansi codes get stripped out
> > > >>>> that
> > > >> way.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be
> > > >>>>> used in defense of liberty:
> > > >>>>>   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > >>>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> .
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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