[orca-list] Subscribing to the Vinux support list [was "Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT"]

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On 07/26/2013 08:08 AM, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Ok, but I cannot subscribe on vinux-list. The only access point I find is
> a javascript interface and I've not a suitable browser. So how can I subscribe?
>
> Anyway, as you say, personally, I've my current am]iers about Vinux and I'll test next week.
>
> Regards,
>
> On vendredi 26 juil. 2013 à 13:23:50 (+1000), Rob Whyte wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I think this thread can be closed now.
>> It has generated a lot of back and fourth and I think we all get the point.
>>
>> If parties involved would like to continue off lists that would be
>> preferable.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Rob Whyte
>> On 24/07/13 07:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>>> I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list
>>> have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any
>>> more, and never have,  about the plans for Unity accessibility than
>>> anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu
>>> accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC
>>> channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This
>>> is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS
>>> releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an
>>> easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the
>>> plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I
>>> assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal.
>>>
>>> I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks
>>> out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one
>>> person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates
>>> something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I
>>> don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers,
>>> applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience.
>>>
>>> The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus
>>> accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers".
>>> Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as
>>> snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with
>>> what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the
>>> developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I
>>> can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and
>>> this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the
>>> matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the
>>> precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as
>>> simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no
>>> discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you
>>> think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that
>>> people reading your message  understand that the accessibility
>>> developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely
>>> honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to
>>> defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving
>>> from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions.
>>>
>>> BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal
>>> was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have
>>> attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and
>>> participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm
>>> not sure what other conclusion could have been made though.
>>>
>>> BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't intended to
>>> be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which
>>> is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an
>>> inference then that's great.
>>>
>>> On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>> Placated?  No, we weren't placated.  We were told that's how it was
>>>> going to
>>>> be and we could suck it up til 14.04.  I heard you work for
>>>> Cannonical which
>>>> makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time
>>>> anyone
>>>> speaks against it.  If this is the case, would you very kindly answer
>>>> the
>>>> million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message:
>>>>
>>>> Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not?
>>>> If not,
>>>> when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity?
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and just so you know, my message wasn't trying to be
>>>> inflammatory.  I
>>>> *was* being a bit snarky but, I happen to live in a free country
>>>> where such
>>>> things are allowed.  I was far more concerned with whether or not I
>>>> should
>>>> project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not.  You
>>>> see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan.  I follow them on
>>>> Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have
>>>> even
>>>> hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about
>>>> Linux.  So quit hair splitting and answer the question if you can,
>>>> please.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> Alex M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces at gnome.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Christopher Chaltain
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:58 PM
>>>> To: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List
>>>> Cc: vinux-support at googlegroups.com; orca-list at gnome.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
>>>>
>>>> Unity 2D was pulled from Ubuntu 12.10 and not Ubuntu 12.04. The plan to
>>>> focus accessibility efforts in Ubuntu on the LTS releases was meant to
>>>> provide the best accessibility solution with the resources available.
>>>> This was a transparent decision made with the best information at the
>>>> time.
>>>> Obviously, desktop plans have changed since then. This was not a
>>>> statement
>>>> or move just to placate blind Ubuntu users as your message implies.
>>>>
>>>> On 07/23/2013 01:23 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in
>>>>> the near future.  It looks like they'll be using QT5.  Does anyone
>>>>> know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML?  We were all
>>>>> disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu
>>>>> 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's
>>>>> wonderfully accessible legacy.  This was supposed to soothe our
>>>>> ruffled feathers when 12.10 and
>>>>> 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible.  Well,
>>>>> now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of
>>>>> accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even
>>>>> more in light of this development.  Please see link below:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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