[orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

Fri Jul 26 13:04:19 UTC 2013

Hi,

Ok, but I cannot subscribe on vinux-list. The only access point I find is
a javascript interface and I've not a suitable browser. So how can I subscribe?

Anyway, as you say, personally, I've my current am]iers about Vinux and I'll test next week.

Regards,

On vendredi 26 juil. 2013 à 13:23:50 (+1000), Rob Whyte wrote:
> Hi,
> I think this thread can be closed now.
> It has generated a lot of back and fourth and I think we all get the point.
> 
> If parties involved would like to continue off lists that would be
> preferable.
> 
> Kind regards
> Rob Whyte   
> On 24/07/13 07:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > I do not work for Canonical, and my statements on this or any list
> > have never been anything other than my own opinions. I don't know any
> > more, and never have,  about the plans for Unity accessibility than
> > anyone else following the Ubuntu blueprints, subscribing to the Ubuntu
> > accessibility mailing list, logging into the Ubuntu accessibility IRC
> > channel and attending the accessibility related sessions at UDS. This
> > is how I know the decision to focus accessibility resources on the LTS
> > releases was a very open and transparent decision. It was also not an
> > easy decision to make. I don't personally know at the moment what the
> > plans are now for the accessibility of Unity and Ubuntu 14.04, but I
> > assume they haven't changed and this is still the goal.
> >
> > I don't think I'm quick to defend Ubuntu or Unity when anyone speaks
> > out against it, since there isn't enough time in the world for one
> > person to do this. I do try to point out though when someone misstates
> > something or says something that can lead to an incorrect inference. I
> > don't just do this for Ubuntu but other OS's, screen readers,
> > applications and products where I have some knowledge and experience.
> >
> > The fact of the matter is that you stated the decision to focus
> > accessibility resources on 14.04 was to "sooth our ruffled feathers".
> > Of course, you have the right to your opinion, and you can be as
> > snarky as you want (although I don't know what this has to do with
> > what country your from) but as I read this, it implies that the
> > developers made this statement to get blind users off their back. I
> > can assure you, since I was in the room when this was discussed and
> > this decision was made, that this was not the case. The fact of the
> > matter, is that it was considered to be the best way to leverage the
> > precious accessibility resources working on Ubuntu, and it was just as
> > simple as that. There were no ulterior motives, and there was no
> > discussion whatsoever on spin or damage control. I understand you
> > think this may be hair splitting, but I think it's important that
> > people reading your message  understand that the accessibility
> > developers working on Unity aren't doing anything but being completely
> > honest and open with the blind Ubuntu/Unity users. I am quick to
> > defend those developers who are working so hard, many of them giving
> > from their own spare time, to bring us more accessible solutions.
> >
> > BTW, we weren't told this was the way it was going to be. The proposal
> > was laid out at a session at UDS to be discussed. Anyone could have
> > attended that session, either in person or via IRC or telephone, and
> > participated in the discussion. Since resources are so limited, I'm
> > not sure what other conclusion could have been made though.
> >
> > BTW, given previous emails from you, I assumed this wasn't intended to
> > be inflammatory, but I thought the above inference could be made which
> > is why I replied as I did. If I'm the only one who made such an
> > inference then that's great.
> >
> > On 07/23/2013 03:41 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> >> Placated?  No, we weren't placated.  We were told that's how it was
> >> going to
> >> be and we could suck it up til 14.04.  I heard you work for
> >> Cannonical which
> >> makes sense since you are extremely quick to defend Ubuntu any time
> >> anyone
> >> speaks against it.  If this is the case, would you very kindly answer
> >> the
> >> million dollar question which was the entire point of my prior message:
> >>
> >> Will 14.04 be accessible now that it's going to be qt-based or not? 
> >> If not,
> >> when do you anticipate an accessible port of Unity?
> >>
> >> Oh, and just so you know, my message wasn't trying to be
> >> inflammatory.  I
> >> *was* being a bit snarky but, I happen to live in a free country
> >> where such
> >> things are allowed.  I was far more concerned with whether or not I
> >> should
> >> project trying to come back to Ubuntu in April of next year or not.  You
> >> see, I happen to be that very odd thing called a fan.  I follow them on
> >> Twitter, I like them on facebook, I read about them online and I have
> >> even
> >> hauled off and told my friends about them as a nice way to learn about
> >> Linux.  So quit hair splitting and answer the question if you can,
> >> please.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >> Alex M
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces at gnome.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Christopher Chaltain
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:58 PM
> >> To: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List
> >> Cc: vinux-support at googlegroups.com; orca-list at gnome.org
> >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
> >>
> >> Unity 2D was pulled from Ubuntu 12.10 and not Ubuntu 12.04. The plan to
> >> focus accessibility efforts in Ubuntu on the LTS releases was meant to
> >> provide the best accessibility solution with the resources available.
> >> This was a transparent decision made with the best information at the
> >> time.
> >> Obviously, desktop plans have changed since then. This was not a
> >> statement
> >> or move just to placate blind Ubuntu users as your message implies.
> >>
> >> On 07/23/2013 01:23 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> >>> Hi, all,
> >>>
> >>> It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in
> >>> the near future.  It looks like they'll be using QT5.  Does anyone
> >>> know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML?  We were all
> >>> disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu
> >>> 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's
> >>> wonderfully accessible legacy.  This was supposed to soothe our
> >>> ruffled feathers when 12.10 and
> >>> 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible.  Well,
> >>> now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of
> >>> accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even
> >>> more in light of this development.  Please see link below:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Alex M
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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