[orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT

Wed Jul 24 17:36:18 UTC 2013

Onsdag 24. juli 2013 12.08.32 skrev Alex Midence:
> I'll create a virtual machine and begin testing before the month is up.  Do
> I need to have something like Fedora Rawhide or Ubuntu 13.10 to test in an
> environment that will give you valuable data?

No, any reasonalbly recent linux distro should work just fine. I'd go with 
something not too old so that at-spi-2 works.

You can qet Qt 5 installers here: http://download.qt-project.org/official_releases but they will not be accessible.

I guess there are more and more distribution packages showing up these days, 
so hopefully that provides a convenient way to test.

Alternatively you can build from source which is somewhat time consuming.

Cheers,
Frederik

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> Alex M
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frederik at gladhorn.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:35 AM
> To: kde-accessibility at kde.org; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List';
> orca-list at gnome.org
> Cc: Alex Midence; 'Krishnakant Mane'
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to
> Mir and QT
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> Onsdag 24. juli 2013 08.47.34 skrev Alex Midence:
> > Very true.  The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT.
> > That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out
> > KDE.  If you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted
> > to put in either because you were editing a file or filling out a form
> > of some kind, Orca couldn't read it back to you.  If it was a field
> > you were filling in, you could tab away and backtab back to it and
> > Orca would speak its contents but, individual character by character
> > or word by word navigation was not possible at the time.  I hope
> > that's gotten better since then.  I haven't looked at it since May or
> > June of last year, I think.  It is a very important piece of the puzzle.
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> For Kate it would be great if I could get bug reports with an easy
> description on https://bugs.kde.org .
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> Another interesting thing to try would be Qt Creator - which is probably
> quite complex to test, but for me the editor pretty much works with Orca. Or
> as a simpler test the text editor example that is shipped with Qt 5
> (examples/widgets/richtext/textedit). In general using one of the many
> examples shipped with Qt makes it easier for me to reproduce bugs, feel
> free to file Qt accessibility bugs on https://bugreports.qt-project.org and
> make sure to choose "Gui: Accessibility" as component.
> 
> Generally the text interfaces should be much better in Qt 5 compared to Qt
> 4, but need some testing.
> 
> KMail is using WebKit and is not expected to work all that great (even
> though Jose made it work much better than before).
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> Greetings
> Frederik
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> > Alex M
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> > From: Krishnakant Mane [mailto:krmane at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:42 AM
> > To: Alex Midence
> > Cc: 'Frederik Gladhorn'; kde-accessibility at kde.org;
> > vinux-support at googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List';
> > orca-list at gnome.org
> > Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to
> > go to Mir and QT
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> > This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start
> > reporting bugs agressively.
> > happy hacking.
> > Krishnakant.
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> > On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
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> > Wonderful news!  I certainly feel better for it.  Thanks for all your
> > hard work on qt-at-spi.
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> > Alex M
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> > From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frederik at gladhorn.de]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM
> > To: kde-accessibility at kde.org
> > Cc: Alex Midence; orca-list at gnome.org; vinux-support at googlegroups.com;
> > Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and
> > QT
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> > Hello,
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> > On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote:
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> > Hi, all,
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> > state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to
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> > out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed
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> > Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This
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> > Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to
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> > if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop
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> > need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please
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> > Qt 5 contains all the accessibility code that was used for Qt 4,
> > including the plugin qt-at-spi which will then no longer be needed.
> > Many things have also been improved since we learned from finally making
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> Qt 4 accessible.
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> > All in all this means that the Qt 5 based Unity should be able to
> > reach the level of the old Unity and hopefully exceed it. Of course
> > that's still up to the Unity developers and probably a fix here or
> > there in Qt, but generally I would expect things to look good.
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> > Greetings
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> > Frederik
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> > Alex M
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