From frederik.gladhorn at nokia.com Sun Oct 2 10:07:50 2011 From: frederik.gladhorn at nokia.com (frederik.gladhorn at nokia.com) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 10:07:50 +0000 Subject: Skype 2.2.35-0Oneiric2 version always crash my system In-Reply-To: <4E85C0CB.90607@pickup.hu> References: <4E85C0CB.90607@pickup.hu> Message-ID: Hi, the crash you report is caused by the Qt accessibility bridge. Qt 4.7 will have issues with accessibility since it was too late to change some things there, so expect better results with Qt 4.8. What surprises me though is that you get an assert. I did not expect that the packaged bridge would have the asserts active. It may be worthwhile to replace the asserts by warnings since this shows a defect in the way skype or some widget exposes the accessibility information, but we can't hope to get that fixed in skype any time soon I guess. Cheers Frederik On 30. sep. 2011, at 15.14, ext Hammer Attila wrote: > Hy, > > I installed now with Skype my Oneiric fresh installed system from Canonical partner repository, the version number is 2.2.35-0Oneiric2. > I don't no why, but always when I try log in, Skype is crash after I activate the Sign In button, and a core dumped. > I only see following message in GNOME Terminal: > hammera at hammera-Satellite-L300:~$ skype > > (skype:2608): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", > > (skype:2608): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", > > (skype:2608): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", > > (skype:2608): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", > Fatal: ASSERT: "interface->childCount() == children.count()" in file adaptor.cpp, line 200 > Aborted (core dumped) > hammera at hammera-Satellite-L300:~$ > I try reported the crash, but unfortunately Apport says Skype is not a genuine Ubuntu package. > > I tryed purge this version and install the Natty partner repository awailable version, but I am not good luck now, the two versions producing equals problem my system. When I tested I think two weeks ago with Skype a11y support, Natty version is working fine my Oneiric system, perhaps oldest time not yet awailable this version with Canonical partner repository in Natty branch. > > This problem is a QT A11Y bridge related problem? > Anybody confirming this issue for official partner repository awailable package version? > I try downloading with Skype the official website and looking the officialy awailable version how works. > > Attila > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From apinheiro at igalia.com Sun Oct 2 23:23:54 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 01:23:54 +0200 Subject: Unity 3D ppa with extra a11y updated Message-ID: <4E88F28A.6010107@igalia.com> Hi, just to mention that I have just updated the ppa with Unity providing some extra a11y and interaction with orca, to be based on Unity 4.20. You can find it here: https://launchpad.net/~apinheiro/+archive/unity-extra-a11y Note that this is still affected by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/860805 That prevents in somecases the focus on the Dash. Best regards -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From guyster104 at att.net Wed Oct 5 16:35:55 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:35:55 -0400 Subject: definitely impressed Message-ID: <4E8C876B.7070100@att.net> Hi all, I am writing to say that I am definitely impressed with the way Unity turned out with the extra-a11y. The alt+tab window modifications and the dash are working well, and even before the extra-a11y packages were added, I love being able to press f-10, and have my wireless connection right at hand. The only problem I'm having though, is that when a notification comes up, all orca seems to say is notify_osd. This may be a known bug, but hopefully will be fixed by final release. Keep up the good work, and just as a heads up, Unity 4.22 is in today's updates. Will the extra-a11y ppa be updated soon? Here's hoping I don't lose dash and alt+tab support on next reboot. Thanks much, Guy From guyster104 at att.net Wed Oct 5 16:37:18 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:37:18 -0400 Subject: definitely impressed Message-ID: <4E8C87BE.7080309@att.net> Hi all, I am writing to say that I am definitely impressed with the way Unity turned out with the extra-a11y. The alt+tab window modifications and the dash are working well, and even before the extra-a11y packages were added, I love being able to press f-10, and have my wireless connection right at hand. The only problem I'm having though, is that when a notification comes up, all orca seems to say is notify_osd. This may be a known bug, an From guyster104 at att.net Wed Oct 5 16:37:48 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:37:48 -0400 Subject: definitely impressed Message-ID: <4E8C87DC.3010605@att.net> Hi all, I am writing to say that I am definitely impressed with the way Unity turned out with the extra-a11y. The alt+tab window modifications and the dash are working well, and even before the extra-a11y packages were added, I love being able to press f-10, and have my wireless connection right at hand. The only problem I'm having though, is that when a notification comes up, all orca seems to say is notify_osd. This may be a known bug, an From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 19:36:16 2011 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:36:16 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 11.10, Unity, and Compiz eZoom Message-ID: <4E8CB1B0.8010403@gmail.com> Hello, everyone. Sadly, I must report that this magnification issue persists in Ubuntu 11.10 as well. I tested this under a virtual installation of Ubuntu 11.10 with 3D Acceleration enabled. I am going to try to install gnome-shell on the VM and see if it works any better for me. I know that the needs of all users cannot always be met at first, and I am appreciative of all of the hard work which is being put into Unity, but I'm feeling left out right now. :( Sorry. I don't mean to whine or to complain. Hopefully this will change in Ubuntu 12.04, or better yet in an update to Ubuntu 11.10. I just wanted to write back and to confirm that this still persists in case there is anyone else out there who was curious. Take care. From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 20:54:10 2011 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:54:10 -0700 Subject: Ubuntu 11.10, Unity, and Compiz eZoom In-Reply-To: <4E8CB1B0.8010403@gmail.com> References: <4E8CB1B0.8010403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E8CC3F2.4030704@gmail.com> Hello again. I was unsure as to whether or not I should create a new thread or follow-up on this one, so I decided to play it safe and follow-up. I installed gnome-shell in my virtual machine (Ubuntu 11.10). At the login screen, I was presented with session options for GNOME, Classic GNOME, Classic GNOME (No Effects), Ubuntu, and Ubuntu2D. it seems that I cannot use screen magnification in GNOME or Classic GNOME. It did not even seem as though Compiz was running (I am not sure how to confirm this). However, when I run "compiz --replace" in the Run Applications dialog, the Unity dock appears and zooming seems to work (with the exception of the Unity dock). I'm a bit distraught as I have no idea what to do. Thanks for any suggestions and input. On 10/05/2011 12:36 PM, Robert Cole wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > Sadly, I must report that this magnification issue persists in Ubuntu > 11.10 as well. I tested this under a virtual installation of Ubuntu > 11.10 with 3D Acceleration enabled. > > I am going to try to install gnome-shell on the VM and see if it works > any better for me. > > I know that the needs of all users cannot always be met at first, and > I am appreciative of all of the hard work which is being put into > Unity, but I'm feeling left out right now. :( Sorry. I don't mean to > whine or to complain. > > Hopefully this will change in Ubuntu 12.04, or better yet in an update > to Ubuntu 11.10. > > I just wanted to write back and to confirm that this still persists in > case there is anyone else out there who was curious. > > Take care. From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Oct 5 21:18:23 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:18:23 +1100 Subject: definitely impressed In-Reply-To: <4E8C876B.7070100@att.net> References: <4E8C876B.7070100@att.net> Message-ID: <20111005211823.GB3440@strigy.yelavich.home> On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 03:35:55AM EST, Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hi all, I am writing to say that I am definitely impressed with the > way Unity turned out with the extra-a11y. The alt+tab window > modifications and the dash are working well, and even before the > extra-a11y packages were added, I love being able to press f-10, and > have my wireless connection right at hand. The only problem I'm > having though, is that when a notification comes up, all orca seems > to say is notify_osd. This may be a known bug, but hopefully will > be fixed by final release. Keep up the good work, and just as a > heads up, Unity 4.22 is in today's updates. Will the extra-a11y ppa > be updated soon? Here's hoping I don't lose dash and alt+tab > support on next reboot. The notifications no longer working is a known bug, and likely won't be fixed by final release. However, I do hope I can get it fixed in a stable release update, as its a complex issue to fix. Luke From guyster104 at att.net Wed Oct 5 22:17:21 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 18:17:21 -0400 Subject: definitely impressed In-Reply-To: <20111005211823.GB3440@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <4E8C876B.7070100@att.net> <20111005211823.GB3440@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <4E8CD771.9010102@att.net> I do have one further question with Oneiric though. BTW Luke, thanks for the quick reply, and maybe you can answer this one too. Is there any way to make a sound play once the lightdm screen appears? I almost have to put my laptop to my ear and listen for the hard drive to stop spinning, in order to know when I can type my password. If there is a simple work around, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again, Guy On 10/05/2011 05:18 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 03:35:55AM EST, Guy Schlosser wrote: >> Hi all, I am writing to say that I am definitely impressed with the >> way Unity turned out with the extra-a11y. The alt+tab window >> modifications and the dash are working well, and even before the >> extra-a11y packages were added, I love being able to press f-10, and >> have my wireless connection right at hand. The only problem I'm >> having though, is that when a notification comes up, all orca seems >> to say is notify_osd. This may be a known bug, but hopefully will >> be fixed by final release. Keep up the good work, and just as a >> heads up, Unity 4.22 is in today's updates. Will the extra-a11y ppa >> be updated soon? Here's hoping I don't lose dash and alt+tab >> support on next reboot. > The notifications no longer working is a known bug, and likely won't be fixed by final release. However, I do hope I can get it fixed in a stable release update, as its a complex issue to fix. > > Luke > From luke.yelavich at canonical.com Wed Oct 5 22:30:02 2011 From: luke.yelavich at canonical.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:30:02 +1100 Subject: definitely impressed In-Reply-To: <4E8CD771.9010102@att.net> References: <4E8C876B.7070100@att.net> <20111005211823.GB3440@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E8CD771.9010102@att.net> Message-ID: <20111005223002.GA3901@strigy.yelavich.home> On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 09:17:21AM EST, Guy Schlosser wrote: > I do have one further question with Oneiric though. BTW Luke, > thanks for the quick reply, and maybe you can answer this one too. > Is there any way to make a sound play once the lightdm screen > appears? I almost have to put my laptop to my ear and listen for > the hard drive to stop spinning, in order to know when I can type my > password. If there is a simple work around, I would greatly > appreciate it. Unfortunately not yet. This is also a known bug, but the lightdm greeter author didn't get to it this cycle. For Vinux based on oneiric, gdm will be used instead, where accessibility will be working. Luke From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Oct 6 06:12:11 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:12:11 +0200 Subject: definitely impressed In-Reply-To: <20111005223002.GA3901@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <4E8C876B.7070100@att.net> <20111005211823.GB3440@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E8CD771.9010102@att.net> <20111005223002.GA3901@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <4E8D46BB.6070401@pickup.hu> Hy Luke, The LightDM replacement to Gdm is very interesting me too. How can possible doing this replacement for an Oneiric installed system if the purpose is working default the a11y support with screen reader in GDM? My friend sees following error when he trying replace LightDm to Gdm and try setting A11y properties with Gdm in terminal, he using following command: root at ubuntu:/# sudo -u gdm gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.a11y.applications screen-reader-enabled true ** (process:4488): WARNING **: Command line `dbus-launch --autolaunch=20fabca28cb849c3142b381e02746da0 --binary-syntax --close-stderr' exited with non-zero exit status 1: No protocol specified\nAutolaunch error: X11 initialization failed.\n ** (process:4488): WARNING **: Command line `dbus-launch --autolaunch=20fabca28cb849c3142b381e02746da0 --binary-syntax --close-stderr' exited with non-zero exit status 1: No protocol specified\nAutolaunch error: X11 initialization failed.\n root at ubuntu:/# He tryed using this command an installed Oneiric system. Possible doing this replacement by default a custom live CD if I would like automatic login working too? If I remember right, when I looked this with alpha3 based live CD, GDM wont start automaticaly with live CD, and I not tryed this replacement now. I see an another interesting issue with Oneiric and Unity related: General, I using Oneiric with Gnome Fallback session, but I would like trying Unity 2D after I read Guis letter. Because I am not have sighted assistance to change session in LightDm, I edited the /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf file: I uncommented following line: greeter-session=unity-greeter And modify following line: user-session=gnome-fallback I simple replaced with gnome-fallback session to ubuntu-2d session, and restarted lightdm login manager with service lightdm restart command. My system are I configured for automatic login, and Unity 2D wonderful started. I tested little with Unity, and final would like switch back with gnome-fallback session. So I again modify /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf fileto I change back the session... :-(:-( After I restarted LightDm, I very surprised, because simple owerwritten or deleted my custom keybindings, with I defined in GNOME Control Center the Keyboard pane when I used GNOME Fallback session. For example, not possible to pop up panel menue with ALT+F1 key combination, not possible to access Run dialog, etc. Why happened this? Unity stores own key combinations equals place for example with GNOME3 fallback session (.config/dconf/user binary gsettings file)? Possible fix this with next release? Have an useful workaround to prewent this problem if an user would like using not only Unity dependent sessions and already customized for example GNOME3 fallback session related keybindings? Attila From apinheiro at igalia.com Thu Oct 6 17:25:16 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 19:25:16 +0200 Subject: definitely impressed In-Reply-To: <4E8C876B.7070100@att.net> References: <4E8C876B.7070100@att.net> Message-ID: <4E8DE47C.60900@igalia.com> Hi Guy, thanks for testing the extra-a11y ppa. Yes, I plan to update the ppa based on Unity 4.22. Tomorrow is a holiday here in Spain, so I will try to find a moment to do that. In fact my plan is keeping updating the ppa often, until those branches get merged on the master branch. Again, thanks for testing it. Best regards On 10/05/2011 06:35 PM, Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hi all, I am writing to say that I am definitely impressed with the > way Unity turned out with the extra-a11y. The alt+tab window > modifications and the dash are working well, and even before the > extra-a11y packages were added, I love being able to press f-10, and > have my wireless connection right at hand. The only problem I'm > having though, is that when a notification comes up, all orca seems to > say is notify_osd. This may be a known bug, but hopefully will be > fixed by final release. Keep up the good work, and just as a heads > up, Unity 4.22 is in today's updates. Will the extra-a11y ppa be > updated soon? Here's hoping I don't lose dash and alt+tab support on > next reboot. > > Thanks much, > > > Guy > > -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From themuso at ubuntu.com Thu Oct 6 21:50:07 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:50:07 +1100 Subject: definitely impressed In-Reply-To: <4E8DE47C.60900@igalia.com> References: <4E8C876B.7070100@att.net> <4E8DE47C.60900@igalia.com> Message-ID: <20111006215007.GA3516@strigy.yelavich.home> On Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 04:25:16AM EST, Piñeiro wrote: > Hi Guy, > > thanks for testing the extra-a11y ppa. Yes, I plan to update the ppa > based on Unity 4.22. Tomorrow is a holiday here in Spain, so I will try > to find a moment to do that. > > In fact my plan is keeping updating the ppa often, until those branches > get merged on the master branch. > > Again, thanks for testing it. Alejandro, I am happy to help maintain the packages if that is of any help to you. Luke From chmeljanusz at seznam.cz Fri Oct 7 09:24:26 2011 From: chmeljanusz at seznam.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:24:26 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 Accessibility related questions Message-ID: <4E8EC54A.8020204@seznam.cz> Dear users and developers, Would some body try to answer me the following accessibility related question? In The future official Ubuntu 11.10 release, how will be solved The navigation in side The installed applications menu? In The Ubuntu 11.04 and in The earlyer releases, user could press ALT+F1 and special applications menu have been recalled. Will be The similar keyboardshortcut awailable also in The official Ubuntu 11.10? Or it will be awailable in Vinux? I would like to thank MR Yelavich for his exhaustic, very complex and intensive programmers work. I would like to thank him very much, that he want to develope Vinux build scripts, so Vinux will be officially builded so no utilities such as Remastersys will be necessary to use. Very well done. I would like to thank MR Yelavich and Canonical LTD for bringing newest software and kernel drivers to every Ubuntu release. I know, that some of visually impaired users may be sad, that new features are causing accessibility issues. But i think, that it is very positive, that visually impaired users can be engaged to The development of new user interfaces such as Unity. And new display managers such as LighttGDM. Very important positive fact is, that there is even ammazing proggrammer, who is bringing QT support for us by developing The bridge between At-spi and QT libraryes. My question is: How i can simply access The run application dialog window in The latest Ubuntu daily build to run terminal and to try some QT based applications atleast by using live CD mode? I can not very probably run The terminal by typing gnome-terminal If there is no chance to run terminal like in earlyer Gnome releases, and if run applications dialog is not accessible by using keyboard shortcut, i AM suggesting to atleast support this hodkey. Or next idea is adding all applications links to The desktop, because desktop is accessible by Orca. So If applications menu is not accessible, I AM suggesting You to add applications linksto The desktop. Because it will be very probably much more easyer than to modifi Unity or Gnome-shell. What do You think about my idea? New accessibility algorithms can be awailable by Ubuntu updates. Fortunately, Orca and At-spi is stable and also speech-dispatcher and Pulseaudio are working excellently, so there is nothink annoing for visually impaired users. I think, that it will be good idea to solve some complex accessibility related issues to make Vinux distro, which will combine new and older modules to provide best awailable accessibility. So i AM recommending YOu to add applications shortcuts list to The desktop in The live CD mode, when user is activating Orca profile. So sighted users will not be surprised by The new Canonical LTD approach. What do You think about it? Also Run application link could be awailable in The desktop. If there is no choice to make The keyboard shortcut for this task From chmeljanusz at seznam.cz Fri Oct 7 12:20:17 2011 From: chmeljanusz at seznam.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:20:17 +0200 Subject: Unity is relatively goodlyaccessible Message-ID: <4E8EEE81.4010908@seznam.cz> Dear users and developers, Thank's to works of developers and advanced users throught out The world, The unity interface is much more accessible, than i have thinked before i have tried todays Ubuntu 11.10 daily build. By pressing ALT+F1, user can hear The names of buttons representing installed applications, running applications with administration privileges is also supported ammazingly and Orca can be used with those applications. Unfortunately, i AM not able to locate The Update manager and run application dialog window. So please, will be Ubuntu updater included or this tool will not be awailable and users will have to perform Ubuntu updates by using apt-get dist upgrade? There is Ubuntu One, Ubuntu software center, but i can not locate Synaptics package manager. But Unity is working and attention. Orca is able to cooperate with included version of Mozilla Firefox, but now, user must use The Orca configuration for Firefox and user must check The button grab focus on objects when navigating. This button is awailable in The Firefox specific Orca settings in The firefox TAB. So for now, my biggest issue is, that i can not activate The run application dialog box and i can not locate The terminal atleast inside The list of installed applications. The name of module is very probably Application launcher, which is displaing The applications list after pressing ALT+F1. My last question for all Orca users is. Do You think, that it is sad, that Orca is not supporting The live regions announcement mechanishm presented in The older Orca releases? in Orca 2.32.0? So users could hear The messages of ARIA live regions not only when Orca automatically have detected those messages, but user could hear one of The checked ARIA live regions messages by pressing ORCA+F2, F3. So Orca +F2 have announced The message presented by The second ARIA live region, ORCA+F3 have announced The previously spoken message from The thirt ARIa live region, ETC. Now, ORCA is able to automatically speak The ARIA live region, but user can not repeat The previously spoken messages, which have been assigned to one of The ARIA live regions. According to my opinion, it is sad, because ARIA live regions are very often used even in The modern chat related WEB sites, some WEB pages are using ARIA live regions for displaiing The ADS, state television WEB pages can use those regions for displaiing tips for one of The important news, ETC. But Orca is very stable, Pulseaudio is not causing issues, at-spi is working excellently. So i think, that everybody of us can lookingforward to official, stable Ubuntu release. I think, that there is time to release RC version of Ubuntu 11.10. I think, that this will be done in The end of next week. BUt it is only my personal analysis, it will depend on Canonical LTD. From guyster104 at att.net Sat Oct 8 21:26:49 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 17:26:49 -0400 Subject: definitely impressed In-Reply-To: <4E8DE47C.60900@igalia.com> References: <4E8C876B.7070100@att.net> <4E8DE47C.60900@igalia.com> Message-ID: <4E90C019.2030300@att.net> Do I have to re-add the PPA after all the updates? My system is completely up-to-date as of 30 minutes ago, and I still do not have dash accessibility or alt+tab window announcements since Unity 4.22 was installed. If the packages just haven't been updated yet, please excuse the E-mail, but just curious to find out what is going on. Thanks, Guy On 10/06/2011 01:25 PM, Piñeiro wrote: > Hi Guy, > > thanks for testing the extra-a11y ppa. Yes, I plan to update the ppa > based on Unity 4.22. Tomorrow is a holiday here in Spain, so I will try > to find a moment to do that. > > In fact my plan is keeping updating the ppa often, until those branches > get merged on the master branch. > > Again, thanks for testing it. > > Best regards > > On 10/05/2011 06:35 PM, Guy Schlosser wrote: >> Hi all, I am writing to say that I am definitely impressed with the >> way Unity turned out with the extra-a11y. The alt+tab window >> modifications and the dash are working well, and even before the >> extra-a11y packages were added, I love being able to press f-10, and >> have my wireless connection right at hand. The only problem I'm >> having though, is that when a notification comes up, all orca seems to >> say is notify_osd. This may be a known bug, but hopefully will be >> fixed by final release. Keep up the good work, and just as a heads >> up, Unity 4.22 is in today's updates. Will the extra-a11y ppa be >> updated soon? Here's hoping I don't lose dash and alt+tab support on >> next reboot. >> >> Thanks much, >> >> >> Guy >> >> > From apinheiro at igalia.com Mon Oct 10 12:54:24 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:54:24 +0200 Subject: definitely impressed In-Reply-To: <4E90C019.2030300@att.net> References: <4E8C876B.7070100@att.net> <4E8DE47C.60900@igalia.com> <4E90C019.2030300@att.net> Message-ID: <4E92EB00.3000001@igalia.com> Hi, sorry, I was not able to update the ppa yet. And answering your question, no, you don't need to re-add the ppa. This works as any other repository. Sorry for the delay. BR On 10/08/2011 11:26 PM, Guy Schlosser wrote: > Do I have to re-add the PPA after all the updates? My system is > completely up-to-date as of 30 minutes ago, and I still do not have > dash accessibility or alt+tab window announcements since Unity 4.22 > was installed. If the packages just haven't been updated yet, please > excuse the E-mail, but just curious to find out what is going on. > > Thanks, > > > Guy > > > On 10/06/2011 01:25 PM, Piñeiro wrote: >> Hi Guy, >> >> thanks for testing the extra-a11y ppa. Yes, I plan to update the ppa >> based on Unity 4.22. Tomorrow is a holiday here in Spain, so I will try >> to find a moment to do that. >> >> In fact my plan is keeping updating the ppa often, until those branches >> get merged on the master branch. >> >> Again, thanks for testing it. >> >> Best regards >> >> On 10/05/2011 06:35 PM, Guy Schlosser wrote: >>> Hi all, I am writing to say that I am definitely impressed with the >>> way Unity turned out with the extra-a11y. The alt+tab window >>> modifications and the dash are working well, and even before the >>> extra-a11y packages were added, I love being able to press f-10, and >>> have my wireless connection right at hand. The only problem I'm >>> having though, is that when a notification comes up, all orca seems to >>> say is notify_osd. This may be a known bug, but hopefully will be >>> fixed by final release. Keep up the good work, and just as a heads >>> up, Unity 4.22 is in today's updates. Will the extra-a11y ppa be >>> updated soon? Here's hoping I don't lose dash and alt+tab support on >>> next reboot. >>> >>> Thanks much, >>> >>> >>> Guy >>> >>> >> > > -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From apinheiro at igalia.com Mon Oct 10 18:05:25 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:05:25 +0200 Subject: Unity is relatively goodlyaccessible In-Reply-To: <4E8EEE81.4010908@seznam.cz> References: <4E8EEE81.4010908@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <4E9333E5.3000006@igalia.com> Hi Janusz, about the issues with the application launcher and others, you could read this mail that I sent some weeks ago to the list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-accessibility/2011-September/005403.html BR On 10/07/2011 02:20 PM, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote: > Dear users and developers, > Thank's to works of developers and advanced users throught out The > world, The unity interface is much more accessible, than i have > thinked before i have tried todays Ubuntu 11.10 daily build. By > pressing ALT+F1, user can hear The names of buttons representing > installed applications, running applications with administration > privileges is also supported ammazingly and Orca can be used with > those applications. Unfortunately, i AM not able to locate The Update > manager and run application dialog window. > So please, will be Ubuntu updater included or this tool will not be > awailable and users will have to perform Ubuntu updates by using > apt-get dist upgrade? > There is Ubuntu One, Ubuntu software center, but i can not locate > Synaptics package manager. > But Unity is working and attention. > Orca is able to cooperate with included version of Mozilla Firefox, > but now, user must use The Orca configuration for Firefox and user > must check The button grab focus on objects when navigating. This > button is awailable in The Firefox specific Orca settings in The > firefox TAB. > So for now, my biggest issue is, that i can not activate The run > application dialog box and i can not locate The terminal atleast > inside The list of installed applications. > The name of module is very probably Application launcher, which is > displaing The applications list after pressing ALT+F1. > My last question for all Orca users is. > Do You think, that it is sad, that Orca is not supporting The live > regions announcement mechanishm presented in The older Orca releases? > in Orca 2.32.0? So users could hear The messages of ARIA live regions > not only when Orca automatically have detected those messages, but > user could hear one of The checked ARIA live regions messages by > pressing ORCA+F2, F3. So Orca +F2 have announced The message presented > by The second ARIA live region, ORCA+F3 have announced The previously > spoken message from The thirt ARIa live region, ETC. > Now, ORCA is able to automatically speak The ARIA live region, but > user can not repeat The previously spoken messages, which have been > assigned to one of The ARIA live regions. > According to my opinion, it is sad, because ARIA live regions are very > often used even in The modern chat related WEB sites, some WEB pages > are using ARIA live regions for displaiing The ADS, state television > WEB pages can use those regions for displaiing tips for one of The > important news, ETC. > But Orca is very stable, Pulseaudio is not causing issues, at-spi is > working excellently. So i think, that everybody of us can > lookingforward to official, stable Ubuntu release. I think, that there > is time to release RC version of Ubuntu 11.10. I think, that this will > be done in The end of next week. > BUt it is only my personal analysis, it will depend on Canonical LTD. > > -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From apinheiro at igalia.com Mon Oct 10 18:07:54 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:07:54 +0200 Subject: Unity 3D 4.22 extra a11y available Message-ID: <4E93347A.5010401@igalia.com> Hi, just to mention that the third update of Unity 3D with extra a11y is available here: https://launchpad.net/~apinheiro/+archive/unity-extra-a11y Based on the last Unity 3D release (4.22) Best regards -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From apinheiro at igalia.com Mon Oct 10 18:09:07 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:09:07 +0200 Subject: definitely impressed In-Reply-To: <20111006215007.GA3516@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <4E8C876B.7070100@att.net> <4E8DE47C.60900@igalia.com> <20111006215007.GA3516@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: <4E9334C3.9090200@igalia.com> On 10/06/2011 11:50 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 04:25:16AM EST, Piñeiro wrote: >> Hi Guy, >> >> thanks for testing the extra-a11y ppa. Yes, I plan to update the ppa >> based on Unity 4.22. Tomorrow is a holiday here in Spain, so I will try >> to find a moment to do that. >> >> In fact my plan is keeping updating the ppa often, until those branches >> get merged on the master branch. >> >> Again, thanks for testing it. > Alejandro, I am happy to help maintain the packages if that is of any help to you. Hi Luke, thanks for the offer, but for the moment maintaining the package is being easy. I was not able to update that package before because I used that long Spanish weekend to some personal matters. Again, thanks for the offer. Best regards -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From pstowe at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 13:56:30 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 09:56:30 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot Released! - Accessibility Release Notes Message-ID: Hi All, For those of you who haven't already seen the official release announcement[0], Ubuntu 11.10 has been released! Some members of the accessibility team, led by Alan Bell, put together our own release announcement[1] with the notes on what's changed in accessibility for this release. I hope you all have a wonderful day and get to celebrate the new release! ~Penelope [0] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2011-October/000153.html [1] http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/oneiric-ocelot/ From nolan at thewordnerd.info Thu Oct 13 18:22:13 2011 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 13:22:13 -0500 Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot Released! - Accessibility Release Notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E972C55.6010303@thewordnerd.info> Thanks for the post. As a heads-up, unless I'm missing something, the videos aren't accessible under Ubuntu 11.04 in Firefox. Flash objects just appear as objects that occasionally snag focus and generally don't allow keyboard interaction. On 10/13/2011 08:56 AM, Penelope Stowe wrote: > Hi All, > > For those of you who haven't already seen the official release > announcement[0], Ubuntu 11.10 has been released! > > Some members of the accessibility team, led by Alan Bell, put together > our own release announcement[1] with the notes on what's changed in > accessibility for this release. > > I hope you all have a wonderful day and get to celebrate the new release! > > ~Penelope > > [0] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2011-October/000153.html > [1] http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/oneiric-ocelot/ > From chmeljanusz at seznam.cz Thu Oct 13 19:54:39 2011 From: chmeljanusz at seznam.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:54:39 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot Released! - Accessibility Release Notes In-Reply-To: <4E972C55.6010303@thewordnerd.info> References: <4E972C55.6010303@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <4E9741FF.1050905@seznam.cz> Dear syr, Yes, You are having right, FLASH objects are not accessible with Orca, The best accessibility support on The world of opensource screen readers is now with NVDA and Gecko related WEB browsers, such as Seamonkey, because some WEB pages with Adobe flash objects are not accessible with NVDA even while using Windows INternet Explorer version 9. So Gecko is enabling to get some accessibility information from WEB pages with Adobe flash player objects. Unfortunately, if there are many buttons and WEB site developer will not assign The names of Those buttons, The users will hear button. There is also a very interesting think for discussion. Many free WEBINAR services are unfortunately using Flash objects, screen reader is often speaking only embedded objects and if user will activate some of those embedded objects, screen reader will speak only words empty line, empty line. Unfortunately, i do not know about WEBINAR service accessible for visually impaired users, The best awailable accessibility WEBINAR compromise was The www.dimdim.com But this service is now not offering even trial service for making WEBINAR. Teamwiever is also offering some WEBINAR capabilities, Yes, but it is not truly WEBINAR, because WEB browser is not used. I have discussed with Teamwiever developer to support focusable object type for establishing chat, The editable editbox with chat text, this is The focusable object. WEBINAR services are good possibility for visually impaired users for job opportunity, but if too many flash objects without assignement will be used, visually impaired users are helpless and can be only passive members of The WEBINARS. From apinheiro at igalia.com Fri Oct 14 09:46:42 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:46:42 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot Released! - Accessibility Release Notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E980502.7010301@igalia.com> On 10/13/2011 03:56 PM, Penelope Stowe wrote: > Hi All, > > For those of you who haven't already seen the official release > announcement[0], Ubuntu 11.10 has been released! > > Some members of the accessibility team, led by Alan Bell, put together > our own release announcement[1] with the notes on what's changed in > accessibility for this release. > > I hope you all have a wonderful day and get to celebrate the new release! Just a nitpick, as some users could find it useful: "Orca can't read what is going on with Unity3d. By default if you install using the screen reader you will boot into the 2d desktop. At present the 3d desktop is not accessible, however there is code to make this work and we expect this to be made available in a PPA for 11.10 and be in by default in 12.04 LTS." FWIW. There is already an PPA with that code: https://launchpad.net/~apinheiro/+archive/unity-extra-a11y BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nolan at thewordnerd.info Sun Oct 16 03:46:06 2011 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:46:06 -0500 Subject: Initial impressions of 11.10 Message-ID: <4E9A537E.7010304@thewordnerd.info> Just slapped this onto an old netbook I'm trying to revive. Here are my initial impressions. I love the new way to run accessibility on the live CD. Great! I just wish it also worked from the instance that gets run when you choose to try without installing. Running manually works, but consistency would rule. Had some issues with the install, but those weren't accessibility related. My new installation didn't come up talking. I had to run Orca manually, enable accessibility and log back out and in. My expectation was that it'd come up talking as soon as I logged in. Along similar lines, Orca doesn't run automatically. I have to start it manually. This despite my impression that the screen reader toggle in the accessibility settings screen is enabled. I can't seem to find a "Run Orca on startup" option in Orca's preferences anymore. Unity seems quite keyboard accessible. Going to need time to get used to the many new commands. My timezone is incorrect and I can't figure out how to reset it. In Time and Date I see a text area containing the location New York, but I can't figure a way to set this to anything local to me. I tried entering "Chicago" since that's usually the timezone I choose, but that doesn't seem to take. Lots of widgets seem to be misrepresented as checkboxes. In particular, many menu items appear this way. I'm not clear on how to navigate some of the panels in Unity 2D. They're also said to be inaccessible even though I did get some feedback from Orca at one point. All notifications speak "Notification: notify-osd". I have to look at .cache/notify-osd.log to see what I missed. While this is a long list of negatives, I'm quite impressed at how accessible things are after such a major change. I probably won't put 11.10 on my main machine for now, but I'm enjoying playing with it on the netbook. From nolan at thewordnerd.info Sun Oct 16 04:04:49 2011 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:04:49 -0500 Subject: Initial impressions of 11.10 In-Reply-To: <4E9A537E.7010304@thewordnerd.info> References: <4E9A537E.7010304@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <4E9A57E1.3010009@thewordnerd.info> Oh, and something else I noticed just now that's probably worth mentioning: I installed Unity from the accessibility PPA. Before doing that, I'm pretty sure the extra, non-app menu items in the bar spoke (I.e. for wireless/network control, sound, etc.) Now after upgrading they no longer speak. This seems like it might be a regression in the a11y PPA. Thanks. On 10/15/2011 10:46 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > Just slapped this onto an old netbook I'm trying to revive. Here are > my initial impressions. > > I love the new way to run accessibility on the live CD. Great! I just > wish it also worked from the instance that gets run when you choose to > try without installing. Running manually works, but consistency would > rule. > > Had some issues with the install, but those weren't accessibility > related. > > My new installation didn't come up talking. I had to run Orca > manually, enable accessibility and log back out and in. My expectation > was that it'd come up talking as soon as I logged in. > > Along similar lines, Orca doesn't run automatically. I have to start > it manually. This despite my impression that the screen reader toggle > in the accessibility settings screen is enabled. I can't seem to find > a "Run Orca on startup" option in Orca's preferences anymore. > > Unity seems quite keyboard accessible. Going to need time to get used > to the many new commands. > > My timezone is incorrect and I can't figure out how to reset it. In > Time and Date I see a text area containing the location New York, but > I can't figure a way to set this to anything local to me. I tried > entering "Chicago" since that's usually the timezone I choose, but > that doesn't seem to take. > > Lots of widgets seem to be misrepresented as checkboxes. In > particular, many menu items appear this way. > > I'm not clear on how to navigate some of the panels in Unity 2D. > They're also said to be inaccessible even though I did get some > feedback from Orca at one point. > > All notifications speak "Notification: notify-osd". I have to look at > .cache/notify-osd.log to see what I missed. > > While this is a long list of negatives, I'm quite impressed at how > accessible things are after such a major change. I probably won't put > 11.10 on my main machine for now, but I'm enjoying playing with it on > the netbook. > From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 05:49:25 2011 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:49:25 -0700 Subject: Thanks for the hard work. Message-ID: Hello, everyone. I was disappointed when I saw that the problem with Unity magnification was still standing in Ubuntu 11.10 (to say the least). I decided, though, to try to make an adventure of it. I really need to start using screen readers in order to reduce eye strain, and so I tried Ubuntu 11.10 using Orca. I actually installed Ubuntu via Wubi on my laptop. I am writing you from my e-mail account within the Ubuntu system, and I am glad to say that I am very excited about how accessible Ubuntu is to me. I set up my wireless as well as did some other things, and I am really excited that I can use my laptop (which rarely used to get any use by me). Thanks for the hard work. I am going to keep working with Orca on this system, and I look forward to what is ahead. Once again, keep up the good work. Take care. From rkcole72984 at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 06:04:44 2011 From: rkcole72984 at gmail.com (Robert Cole) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:04:44 -0700 Subject: Initial impressions of 11.10 In-Reply-To: <4E9A57E1.3010009@thewordnerd.info> References: <4E9A537E.7010304@thewordnerd.info> <4E9A57E1.3010009@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <4E9A73FC.9030809@gmail.com> Hello. I just installed Ubuntu 11.10 via Wubi on my laptop about an hour ago, and I have not used the a11y PPA. I was able to access the wireless icon normally, if that is of any help to you. I find that it is actually working wonderfully using Orca. On 10/15/2011 09:04 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > Oh, and something else I noticed just now that's probably worth > mentioning: > > I installed Unity from the accessibility PPA. Before doing that, I'm > pretty sure the extra, non-app menu items in the bar spoke (I.e. for > wireless/network control, sound, etc.) Now after upgrading they no > longer speak. This seems like it might be a regression in the a11y PPA. > > Thanks. > > > On 10/15/2011 10:46 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> Just slapped this onto an old netbook I'm trying to revive. Here are >> my initial impressions. >> >> I love the new way to run accessibility on the live CD. Great! I just >> wish it also worked from the instance that gets run when you choose >> to try without installing. Running manually works, but consistency >> would rule. >> >> Had some issues with the install, but those weren't accessibility >> related. >> >> My new installation didn't come up talking. I had to run Orca >> manually, enable accessibility and log back out and in. My >> expectation was that it'd come up talking as soon as I logged in. >> >> Along similar lines, Orca doesn't run automatically. I have to start >> it manually. This despite my impression that the screen reader toggle >> in the accessibility settings screen is enabled. I can't seem to find >> a "Run Orca on startup" option in Orca's preferences anymore. >> >> Unity seems quite keyboard accessible. Going to need time to get used >> to the many new commands. >> >> My timezone is incorrect and I can't figure out how to reset it. In >> Time and Date I see a text area containing the location New York, but >> I can't figure a way to set this to anything local to me. I tried >> entering "Chicago" since that's usually the timezone I choose, but >> that doesn't seem to take. >> >> Lots of widgets seem to be misrepresented as checkboxes. In >> particular, many menu items appear this way. >> >> I'm not clear on how to navigate some of the panels in Unity 2D. >> They're also said to be inaccessible even though I did get some >> feedback from Orca at one point. >> >> All notifications speak "Notification: notify-osd". I have to look at >> .cache/notify-osd.log to see what I missed. >> >> While this is a long list of negatives, I'm quite impressed at how >> accessible things are after such a major change. I probably won't put >> 11.10 on my main machine for now, but I'm enjoying playing with it on >> the netbook. >> > > From nolan at thewordnerd.info Sun Oct 16 06:32:12 2011 From: nolan at thewordnerd.info (Nolan Darilek) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 01:32:12 -0500 Subject: Initial impressions of 11.10 In-Reply-To: <4E9A73FC.9030809@gmail.com> References: <4E9A537E.7010304@thewordnerd.info> <4E9A57E1.3010009@thewordnerd.info> <4E9A73FC.9030809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E9A7A6C.8070805@thewordnerd.info> Yeah, after installing from the PPA I appear to not only have lost the launcher menus, but access to any menu content. That is, if I'm in the terminal and press F10, I can't down-arrow into the various submenus. Hope this gets fixed soon. On 10/16/2011 01:04 AM, Robert Cole wrote: > Hello. > > I just installed Ubuntu 11.10 via Wubi on my laptop about an hour ago, > and I have not used the a11y PPA. I was able to access the wireless > icon normally, if that is of any help to you. I find that it is > actually working wonderfully using Orca. > > On 10/15/2011 09:04 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> Oh, and something else I noticed just now that's probably worth >> mentioning: >> >> I installed Unity from the accessibility PPA. Before doing that, I'm >> pretty sure the extra, non-app menu items in the bar spoke (I.e. for >> wireless/network control, sound, etc.) Now after upgrading they no >> longer speak. This seems like it might be a regression in the a11y PPA. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> On 10/15/2011 10:46 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >>> Just slapped this onto an old netbook I'm trying to revive. Here are >>> my initial impressions. >>> >>> I love the new way to run accessibility on the live CD. Great! I >>> just wish it also worked from the instance that gets run when you >>> choose to try without installing. Running manually works, but >>> consistency would rule. >>> >>> Had some issues with the install, but those weren't accessibility >>> related. >>> >>> My new installation didn't come up talking. I had to run Orca >>> manually, enable accessibility and log back out and in. My >>> expectation was that it'd come up talking as soon as I logged in. >>> >>> Along similar lines, Orca doesn't run automatically. I have to start >>> it manually. This despite my impression that the screen reader >>> toggle in the accessibility settings screen is enabled. I can't seem >>> to find a "Run Orca on startup" option in Orca's preferences anymore. >>> >>> Unity seems quite keyboard accessible. Going to need time to get >>> used to the many new commands. >>> >>> My timezone is incorrect and I can't figure out how to reset it. In >>> Time and Date I see a text area containing the location New York, >>> but I can't figure a way to set this to anything local to me. I >>> tried entering "Chicago" since that's usually the timezone I choose, >>> but that doesn't seem to take. >>> >>> Lots of widgets seem to be misrepresented as checkboxes. In >>> particular, many menu items appear this way. >>> >>> I'm not clear on how to navigate some of the panels in Unity 2D. >>> They're also said to be inaccessible even though I did get some >>> feedback from Orca at one point. >>> >>> All notifications speak "Notification: notify-osd". I have to look >>> at .cache/notify-osd.log to see what I missed. >>> >>> While this is a long list of negatives, I'm quite impressed at how >>> accessible things are after such a major change. I probably won't >>> put 11.10 on my main machine for now, but I'm enjoying playing with >>> it on the netbook. >>> >> >> > > From guyster104 at att.net Sun Oct 16 15:46:48 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 11:46:48 -0400 Subject: Initial impressions of 11.10 In-Reply-To: <4E9A73FC.9030809@gmail.com> References: <4E9A537E.7010304@thewordnerd.info> <4E9A57E1.3010009@thewordnerd.info> <4E9A73FC.9030809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E9AFC68.2030208@att.net> Hi guys, I just wanted to write and say that I have actually installed the extra-a11y ppa, and the wireless icons work beautifully by pressing f-10. Some times menus say image when you use the left and right arrow keys, but when you down-arrow into them, they work as advertised. Excellent work on 11.10 accessibility, and I look forward to using 12.04 when it is released. Thanks, Guy On 10/16/2011 02:04 AM, Robert Cole wrote: > Hello. > > I just installed Ubuntu 11.10 via Wubi on my laptop about an hour ago, > and I have not used the a11y PPA. I was able to access the wireless > icon normally, if that is of any help to you. I find that it is > actually working wonderfully using Orca. > > On 10/15/2011 09:04 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> Oh, and something else I noticed just now that's probably worth >> mentioning: >> >> I installed Unity from the accessibility PPA. Before doing that, I'm >> pretty sure the extra, non-app menu items in the bar spoke (I.e. for >> wireless/network control, sound, etc.) Now after upgrading they no >> longer speak. This seems like it might be a regression in the a11y PPA. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> On 10/15/2011 10:46 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >>> Just slapped this onto an old netbook I'm trying to revive. Here are >>> my initial impressions. >>> >>> I love the new way to run accessibility on the live CD. Great! I >>> just wish it also worked from the instance that gets run when you >>> choose to try without installing. Running manually works, but >>> consistency would rule. >>> >>> Had some issues with the install, but those weren't accessibility >>> related. >>> >>> My new installation didn't come up talking. I had to run Orca >>> manually, enable accessibility and log back out and in. My >>> expectation was that it'd come up talking as soon as I logged in. >>> >>> Along similar lines, Orca doesn't run automatically. I have to start >>> it manually. This despite my impression that the screen reader >>> toggle in the accessibility settings screen is enabled. I can't seem >>> to find a "Run Orca on startup" option in Orca's preferences anymore. >>> >>> Unity seems quite keyboard accessible. Going to need time to get >>> used to the many new commands. >>> >>> My timezone is incorrect and I can't figure out how to reset it. In >>> Time and Date I see a text area containing the location New York, >>> but I can't figure a way to set this to anything local to me. I >>> tried entering "Chicago" since that's usually the timezone I choose, >>> but that doesn't seem to take. >>> >>> Lots of widgets seem to be misrepresented as checkboxes. In >>> particular, many menu items appear this way. >>> >>> I'm not clear on how to navigate some of the panels in Unity 2D. >>> They're also said to be inaccessible even though I did get some >>> feedback from Orca at one point. >>> >>> All notifications speak "Notification: notify-osd". I have to look >>> at .cache/notify-osd.log to see what I missed. >>> >>> While this is a long list of negatives, I'm quite impressed at how >>> accessible things are after such a major change. I probably won't >>> put 11.10 on my main machine for now, but I'm enjoying playing with >>> it on the netbook. >>> >> >> > > From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Oct 16 21:19:59 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:19:59 +1100 Subject: Initial impressions of 11.10 In-Reply-To: <4E9AFC68.2030208@att.net> References: <4E9A537E.7010304@thewordnerd.info> <4E9A57E1.3010009@thewordnerd.info> <4E9A73FC.9030809@gmail.com> <4E9AFC68.2030208@att.net> Message-ID: <20111016211958.GB2862@acapella> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 02:46:48AM EST, Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hi guys, I just wanted to write and say that I have actually > installed the extra-a11y ppa, and the wireless icons work > beautifully by pressing f-10. Some times menus say image when you > use the left and right arrow keys, but when you down-arrow into > them, they work as advertised. Excellent work on 11.10 > accessibility, and I look forward to using 12.04 when it is > released. This is one key area I want to get working right for Ubuntu Precise, hopefully to the point that if in the network list, you will hear the signal strength of the wireless networks available to you. Luke From themuso at ubuntu.com Sun Oct 16 21:56:41 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:56:41 +1100 Subject: Initial impressions of 11.10 In-Reply-To: <4E9B4CD2.1070303@gmail.com> References: <4E9A537E.7010304@thewordnerd.info> <4E9A57E1.3010009@thewordnerd.info> <4E9A73FC.9030809@gmail.com> <4E9AFC68.2030208@att.net> <20111016211958.GB2862@acapella> <4E9B4CD2.1070303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20111016215641.GA24633@acapella> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 08:29:54AM EST, Dave Hunt wrote: > In either an Oneiric update or in Precise, knowing the signal > strength, and whether the network is locked, would be great, as > would speaking of the notifications. Maybe Orca bugs are > responsible for one or both these annoyances? The network strength changes won't be in oneiric-updates, but precise only, due to the underlying infrastructure needing to be extended to provide sed information. As for notifications, that is a bug as a result of upstream changes in GTK. Getting notifications working again is something I do want to get into oneiric-updates. Luke From mk.seventhson at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 04:28:48 2011 From: mk.seventhson at gmail.com (mk360) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 01:28:48 -0300 Subject: speakup under oneiric Message-ID: <4E9BAF00.7070500@gmail.com> Hi, I'm trying to use speakup with speech-dispatcher and speechd-up on ubuntu 11.10, but spd only load the dummy module, these are my steps: sudo apt-get install speechd-up I added "speakup_soft start=1" at the end of the file /etc/modules When I reboot the computer spd says and error message and speakup don't start, but orca works. What can I do? Regards. From jdashiel at shellworld.net Mon Oct 17 05:29:32 2011 From: jdashiel at shellworld.net (Jude DaShiell) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 01:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: speakup under oneiric In-Reply-To: <4E9BAF00.7070500@gmail.com> References: <4E9BAF00.7070500@gmail.com> Message-ID: speechd-up and speakup do not play nicely together. One or the other is possible but not both.On Mon, 17 Oct 2011, mk360 wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to use speakup with speech-dispatcher and speechd-up on ubuntu > 11.10, but spd only load the dummy module, these are my steps: > > sudo apt-get install speechd-up > > I added "speakup_soft start=1" at the end of the file /etc/modules > > When I reboot the computer spd says and error message and speakup don't > start, but orca works. > > What can I do? > > Regards. > > Jude If I got a nickel for every message I've already sent supporting Microsoft Windows and its applications I'd have enough to retire on comfortably no matter what the stock market did. From samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org Mon Oct 17 07:03:08 2011 From: samuel.thibault at ens-lyon.org (Samuel Thibault) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:03:08 +0200 Subject: speakup under oneiric In-Reply-To: References: <4E9BAF00.7070500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20111017070308.GM4382@type.famille.thibault.fr> Jude DaShiell, le Mon 17 Oct 2011 01:29:32 -0400, a écrit : > speechd-up and speakup do not play nicely together. One or the other is > possible but not both.On Mon, 17 Oct 2011, mk360 wrote: You mean speechd-up and espeakup, I guess. Samuel From apinheiro at igalia.com Mon Oct 17 16:25:23 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pi=F1eiro?=) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:25:23 +0200 Subject: Initial impressions of 11.10 In-Reply-To: <4E9A57E1.3010009@thewordnerd.info> References: <4E9A537E.7010304@thewordnerd.info> <4E9A57E1.3010009@thewordnerd.info> Message-ID: <4E9C56F3.4040004@igalia.com> This is odd, as I made a test of that ppa before announcing it, and I was able to use Orca to interact with unity and the panel. Probably it worked due some kind of development stuff on my laptop. I will check it for the next update. Thanks for the feedback. BR On 10/16/2011 06:04 AM, Nolan Darilek wrote: > Oh, and something else I noticed just now that's probably worth > mentioning: > > I installed Unity from the accessibility PPA. Before doing that, I'm > pretty sure the extra, non-app menu items in the bar spoke (I.e. for > wireless/network control, sound, etc.) Now after upgrading they no > longer speak. This seems like it might be a regression in the a11y PPA. > > Thanks. > > > On 10/15/2011 10:46 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> Just slapped this onto an old netbook I'm trying to revive. Here are >> my initial impressions. >> >> I love the new way to run accessibility on the live CD. Great! I just >> wish it also worked from the instance that gets run when you choose >> to try without installing. Running manually works, but consistency >> would rule. >> >> Had some issues with the install, but those weren't accessibility >> related. >> >> My new installation didn't come up talking. I had to run Orca >> manually, enable accessibility and log back out and in. My >> expectation was that it'd come up talking as soon as I logged in. >> >> Along similar lines, Orca doesn't run automatically. I have to start >> it manually. This despite my impression that the screen reader toggle >> in the accessibility settings screen is enabled. I can't seem to find >> a "Run Orca on startup" option in Orca's preferences anymore. >> >> Unity seems quite keyboard accessible. Going to need time to get used >> to the many new commands. >> >> My timezone is incorrect and I can't figure out how to reset it. In >> Time and Date I see a text area containing the location New York, but >> I can't figure a way to set this to anything local to me. I tried >> entering "Chicago" since that's usually the timezone I choose, but >> that doesn't seem to take. >> >> Lots of widgets seem to be misrepresented as checkboxes. In >> particular, many menu items appear this way. >> >> I'm not clear on how to navigate some of the panels in Unity 2D. >> They're also said to be inaccessible even though I did get some >> feedback from Orca at one point. >> >> All notifications speak "Notification: notify-osd". I have to look at >> .cache/notify-osd.log to see what I missed. >> >> While this is a long list of negatives, I'm quite impressed at how >> accessible things are after such a major change. I probably won't put >> 11.10 on my main machine for now, but I'm enjoying playing with it on >> the netbook. >> > > -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From alex.midence at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 17:13:23 2011 From: alex.midence at gmail.com (Alex Midence) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:13:23 -0500 Subject: updated at-spi 2 packages in Natty Message-ID: Hi, all, I wanted to know if there were any plans to get a more up to date version of at-spi 2 working in Natty? It's still using 2.0.2 or something like that and at-spi2 is at 2.2.0 if not 2.2.1 by now. I've seen quite a few at-spi update messages in the last few months containing all sorts of fixes and things from upstream but nothing seems to have changed in the ppa for Ubuntu. There a reason for this? Alex M From alex.midence at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 17:17:05 2011 From: alex.midence at gmail.com (Alex Midence) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:17:05 -0500 Subject: Emacspeak 34 package Message-ID: Hi, all, I was taking a gander through Synaptic on my Natty installation the other day and noticed that the repositories still have an Emacspeak package from emacspeak 29 which is several years old. We are now at Emacspeak 34 and there have been quite a few enhancements and additions since then. Personally, I installed it from source but thought I'd report this situation in case it hadn't been caught yet. Not everyone is comfortable installing emacspeak from source. Thanks. alex M From chmeljanusz at seznam.cz Mon Oct 17 19:45:07 2011 From: chmeljanusz at seznam.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:45:07 +0200 Subject: How to access Adobe flash player setting panel like a totally blind user in Linux? In-Reply-To: <4E9AFC68.2030208@att.net> References: <4E9A537E.7010304@thewordnerd.info> <4E9A57E1.3010009@thewordnerd.info> <4E9A73FC.9030809@gmail.com> <4E9AFC68.2030208@att.net> Message-ID: <4E9C85C3.8000905@seznam.cz> Dear advanced users and developers, I Am helpless during access The function in The following Adobe interactive WEB page. http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager03.html Thank's to it, i can not enable Adobe flash player to use my microphone or camera on The special Flash player based WEB sites. I would like to valuably plese somebdy of You, how complex would be to find, on which data file Flash player stores The settings? Would somebody of Zou try to analyse gconf database or file system structure to find The Flash player settings? Orca is able to automatically announce ARIA live regions messages and many video WEB cam based sites are also containing chat messages and Flash player is needed to use those sites. It would be ammazing programmers project, write GTK accessible Adobe flash player control panel. I will contact Adobe company because of this big issue. Because this module is awailable for Windows but not for Linux and i Am very sad because of it. From themuso at ubuntu.com Mon Oct 17 22:09:00 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 09:09:00 +1100 Subject: updated at-spi 2 packages in Natty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20111017220900.GB3589@acapella> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 04:13:23AM EST, Alex Midence wrote: > Hi, all, > > I wanted to know if there were any plans to get a more up to date > version of at-spi 2 working in Natty? It's still using 2.0.2 or > something like that and at-spi2 is at 2.2.0 if not 2.2.1 by now. Since Natty is already released, it will only receive important bug fixes and security updates, so now, at-spi2 in natty will stay as is, unless a critical bug is discovered that needs fixing, the case for which would have to be grave, since at-spi2 is not installed by default in Natty. Luke From waywardgeek at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 22:47:29 2011 From: waywardgeek at gmail.com (Bill Cox) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:47:29 -0400 Subject: Oneiric accessibility: install, Unity, and Unity 2D Message-ID: I'm in the process of installing Ubuntu Oneiric 11.10. Here's my first impressions. The install needs a bit of work, but when Orca is enabled on boot using the magic key sequence, it seems basically usable. I had a crash related to Orca I think, though I was poking around the desktop with my mouse during the install. Orca still has issues with Unity, though I didn't explore much of it. The same bug that I saw in Maverick where the caps lock key toggles on every Orca command is still there. By itself, I suspect Unity could be fully accessible by the 12.04 release. There's a big decision for Vinux: whether to try and use Gnome 3 in the future, or Unity. I have a slight preference for Unity, but I have a small screen and need large fonts and/or magnification, so Unity's netbook optimized layout is particularly good for me. I also suspect we could work easily with the Ubuntu team to enhance accessibility. A non-starter for me is that Unity doesn't work with Compiz, and I require it's inverse video and magnification capabilities. So, I've switched to Ubuntu 2D, which I believe was built using QT. Compiz works great, but Orca doesn't see the Unity desktop. So, I'm not sure what to recommend the Vinux community. Options on the table, I think, are Gnome shell 3.0, Unity 2D and the default Unity. I hear Gnome shell 3.0 is also incompatible with Compiz. Anyone have any opinions on the right way to build Vinux 4.0? Bill From macoafi at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 22:53:43 2011 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:53:43 -0400 Subject: Oneiric accessibility: install, Unity, and Unity 2D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Bill Cox wrote: > A non-starter for me is that Unity doesn't work with Compiz, and I > require it's inverse video and magnification capabilities.  So, I've > switched to Ubuntu 2D, which I believe was built using QT.  Compiz > works great, but Orca doesn't see the Unity desktop. Are you just referring to the part where Compiz doesn't zoom the Unity dock itself (but does operate on the rest of the screen while using Unity), or are you saying you can't use inverse or zoom at all while using Unity? I'm a little confused because Unity requires Compiz so isn't incompatible with it. -- Mackenzie Morgan From themuso at ubuntu.com Tue Oct 18 06:12:25 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:12:25 +1100 Subject: Onboard in oneiric needs testing. Message-ID: <20111018061225.GA19192@acapella> Hi folks, There has been some work recently done on onboard, which unfortunately did not make the final release. However, the Ubuntu release team was kind enough to allow a possible new upstream candidate with many bug fixes to be uploaded to the oneiric-proposed release pocket of Oneiric. This means that the onboard package can be tested, and if testing is satisfactory, and no important regressions or other bugs are found, then the new upstrea version of onboard will be released into oneiric-updates. For this to happen, the package needs some testing from you, the users. Here is what you need to do to get the package for testing. 1. Make sure you are using oneiric. This package of onboard will not be made available for any other Ubuntu release. 2. Read these instructions carefully: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed 3. Install the version of onboard from oneoric-proposed, and test. 4. Once you have done some testing, plesae leave feedback here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/872374 The more people that test, the better the test results will be, and the higher the likelyhood of the onboard update being available for the general public. Thanks for your time and consideration. Luke From apinheiro at igalia.com Tue Oct 18 09:56:03 2011 From: apinheiro at igalia.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGnDsWVpcm8=?=) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:56:03 +0200 Subject: Oneiric accessibility: install, Unity, and Unity 2D In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E9D4D33.4060103@igalia.com> On 10/18/2011 12:53 AM, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Bill Cox wrote: >> A non-starter for me is that Unity doesn't work with Compiz, and I >> require it's inverse video and magnification capabilities. So, I've >> switched to Ubuntu 2D, which I believe was built using QT. Compiz >> works great, but Orca doesn't see the Unity desktop. > Are you just referring to the part where Compiz doesn't zoom the Unity > dock itself (but does operate on the rest of the screen while using > Unity), or are you saying you can't use inverse or zoom at all while > using Unity? I'm a little confused because Unity requires Compiz so > isn't incompatible with it. > FWIW, Unity3D is a compiz plugin. BR -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias From hammera at pickup.hu Tue Oct 18 10:57:43 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:57:43 +0200 Subject: Some Unity related questions Message-ID: <4E9D5BA7.1040808@pickup.hu> Hy Everybody, Sorry, I will be have possible beginner questions for Unity related: In Unity 3D extended A11Y test version have a possibility to define application related groups, similar with GNOME2 and GNOME3 Fallback session already categorizing the awailable applications (accessories, accessibility, sound and video, internet, office, etc)? Sorry this question, but I better known the traditional GNOME desktop environment now, but I would like learning Unity usage detailed and customizing basic Unity knowledge with some extras my needs. I very like this categorized grouping in GNOME Desktop Environment, because if I installing any application and if the application related package creating a menu, the menu item is automaticaly awailable with the proper application related group in GNOME main menu. Already existing a lense with doing similar possibility in Unity automaticaly? Have a request from sighted users this traditional grouping related in Unity? Now, I put my favorite applications with the launcher with I often using, this is a very good possibility if need very fast launching an often using application, but the putted applications are all in one place without grouping. The quicklist creation is an another good possibility in Unity, I will be trying this possibility to create for example a text editors related quick list, with containing for example Gedit, Libreoffice Writer and Libreoffice Calc launching. Unfortunately, this quicklist will be not updating automaticaly if a new text editor related application are installed. Possible implementing a similar application grouping possibility in Unity with precise development if more users would like this possibility, and associate this grouping presenting menu with a keybinding? The purpose, if the user installing any application and the application have a desktop file in /usr/share/applications directory, automaticaly presenting the new application with the proper category. An another question: If an user installing any application related package, but doesn't known the application launch command, how can possible found and launch the new installed application in Unity? The user need searching the application the dash categoryes? I not see yet full clear the new interface working method. Attila From kd7cyu at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 23:10:34 2011 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Oneirc queston Message-ID: I upgraded my laptop using do-releas-upgrade (which is how I normally do this) and found unity totally inaccessible probably because it was in 3d. So I installed gnome which works but I would like to try unity and I have more computers to upgrade. So the question is how do I get it to start in unity 2d doing an upgrade ot a fresh install? Also is it possible without sighted help. My wife had to help me switch to gnome. As a side note orca does not start automatically in gnome as I have read it does not in unity either. Is there a solution for this (I have not read the entire archive)? Thanks Tom From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Oct 19 06:02:49 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:02:49 +1100 Subject: Updates of at-spi2, mousetweaks, and Orca in oneiric-proposed, please help with testing. Message-ID: <20111019060249.GA2464@acapella> Hey folks, So there are some more accessibility packages in oneiric-proposed that need testing. The bugs are as follows: 877817 - gnome-orca 877824 - mousetweaks 877840 - at-spi2-atk 877836 - at-spi2-core 877841 - pyatspi Similar to the instructions in the email about onboard the other day, please enable the oneiric-proposed repository, update the above packages, and test. These are GNOME stable updates, so we are not testing for any specific issues as such, but we want to make sure there are no regressions or other weird breakage, particularly with at-spi and Orca. The instructions can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed When testing at-spi, please post results in all 3 at-spi related bugs, as it would be preferable if all 3 packages went through into updates at once. Thanks for your time. From themuso at ubuntu.com Wed Oct 19 06:15:41 2011 From: themuso at ubuntu.com (Luke Yelavich) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:15:41 +1100 Subject: Accessibility technical discussion at UDS P. Message-ID: <20111019061541.GA2515@acapella> Hi folks, A blueprint has been created to discuss the technical accessibility work for Precise. Go here to subscribe and for more info. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-polish I've already started populating the work items list, and this list is likely to be changed, and re-structured between now and when development starts after UDS. If you ahve anything you want discussed in the session, please add it to the notes section at the bottom of the whiteboard. THis session probably hasn't been scheduled yet, but whe it is, I will let you all know when and where, so that people can participate remotely. Luke From j.schmude at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 14:43:15 2011 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:43:15 -0700 Subject: Accessible install of ONeiric? Message-ID: <4E9EE203.9010401@gmail.com> Hi all, Can someone tell me what the key combination is to get Oneiric's accessible installer working? It's changed since I've used Ubuntu last, and the 11.10 accessibility release notes weren't of much help. What do I have to press at the boot menu to get to the installer before the ctrl-s key can work? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.schmude at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 15:24:34 2011 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:24:34 -0700 Subject: Accessible install of ONeiric? In-Reply-To: <4E9EE320.9010305@gmail.com> References: <4E9EE203.9010401@gmail.com> <4E9EE320.9010305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E9EEBB2.6090301@gmail.com> Thanks Dave, that's what I needed. On 10/19/2011 07:48, Dave Hunt wrote: > Pressing down-arrow and enter at the boot menu will put you into the > installer option. When boot finishes, hit 'ctrl+s'. Orca will start, > and you'll be in an environment where all you can do is install the > release and set Orca preferences. I have not yet found a way to run > Unity-2D on the live cd's "try before you buy" type mode. > > > > HTH, > > > > Dave > > > > > > On 10/19/2011 10:43 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >> Hi all, >> Can someone tell me what the key combination is to get Oneiric's >> accessible installer working? It's changed since I've used Ubuntu >> last, and the 11.10 accessibility release notes weren't of much help. >> What do I have to press at the boot menu to get to the installer >> before the ctrl-s key can work? >> >> Thanks >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Wed Oct 19 15:35:06 2011 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:35:06 -0600 Subject: Accessible install of ONeiric? In-Reply-To: <4E9EE203.9010401@gmail.com> References: <4E9EE203.9010401@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20111019093506.718bf08b@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:43:15 -0700 Jacob Schmude wrote: > Hi all, > Can someone tell me what the key combination is to get Oneiric's > accessible installer working? It's changed since I've used Ubuntu last, > and the 11.10 accessibility release notes weren't of much help. What do > I have to press at the boot menu to get to the installer before the > ctrl-s key can work? > > Thanks > The Ctrl+s works when installing Ubuntu 11.10, Oneiric Ocelot. Instead of trying to hit the correct keys to get to the cd menu, you now wait until the desktop cd gets to "Try Ubuntu" "Install Ubuntu" on the cd. Drums will play after a few seconds, then the user can use Ctrl+s to start an accessable installation. Please do not go to the cd menu anymore. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOnu4qAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbApr4H/2kp8Uosg4A4sJy4er2SZH/h Rwu6ZIFdhVhWiuTu/n8ARPV977olrwxHuCME4wLiqNSS0F3yHZmcV/wiGhekAIYZ nAYyv4yz1pNGUQluQh2NIVitERiVwbjzmCxUSPEW185pB1jBiUtcdQ1a07qojtKP cGDUT9LlACgYs74yNOglaT2UhJ5WfItGVsKq3QyAF7Pv52MqhO1pRQG/NbssBqXb niQzHm6INyvITVCjX6N3MqS40BeKPvWPJKCczyU9c6RowsMg71bnI0RWwhiOi9cs QOJgX3epmKQpuakkutGzVMcN8M4FWKwopRSEF9AD02dyps5W3IKhjdS8uJrUTMo= =giSq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Wed Oct 19 15:37:11 2011 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:37:11 -0600 Subject: Updates of at-spi2, mousetweaks, and Orca in oneiric-proposed, please help with testing. In-Reply-To: <20111019060249.GA2464@acapella> References: <20111019060249.GA2464@acapella> Message-ID: <20111019093711.0e46264b@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:02:49 +1100 Luke Yelavich wrote: > Hey folks, > So there are some more accessibility packages in oneiric-proposed that need testing. The bugs are as follows: > 877817 - gnome-orca > 877824 - mousetweaks > 877840 - at-spi2-atk > 877836 - at-spi2-core > 877841 - pyatspi > > Similar to the instructions in the email about onboard the other day, please enable the oneiric-proposed repository, update the above packages, and test. These are GNOME stable updates, so we are not testing for any specific issues as such, but we want to make sure there are no regressions or other weird breakage, particularly with at-spi and Orca. The instructions can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed > > When testing at-spi, please post results in all 3 at-spi related bugs, as it would be preferable if all 3 packages went through into updates at once. > > Thanks for your time. > As I am out of town for the next month, I am not able to test these packages at this time. I hope there are others who can step up and try these, so we can get them into the Oneiric updates for all users. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOnu6nAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbATE0IAINhgBjhhzNTMonNILTti0c6 SYps7ZKMoDA+wkU8IX0BvFRubuI+GeLW8mFm0fDhlLtyIqV92BKhyU4gf+AXgbAF 8BE78TRpTF0coTL5pDh24EEw4CxnAEp0f9K6ijcYbudxp/jtKnORTkp5uyt64fI6 n379/IuhXh2nO1+6dUXIcFTSQNOJDpqRKpkmLYhzuI49DjjMB8oZoNTwNk26aIZ5 FbqOSoWRSz99QjMs5Stwm2iMGXeBfTJKEB2y0TOELcoEM8AFWm1lL1Ld/WJ7saMM 14b1pmUWxLwLWfnnOJqXaWrPL0c3Ckkh6umDw3m4Tef8Y5xeU+/nNY+oZNhAhvA= =m+33 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From j.schmude at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 15:54:16 2011 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:54:16 -0700 Subject: Accessible install of ONeiric? In-Reply-To: <4E9EF033.2090803@gmail.com> References: <4E9EE203.9010401@gmail.com> <4E9EF033.2090803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E9EF2A8.70108@gmail.com> Hi If I wait, I don't hear any drums. On 10/19/2011 08:43, Scott Berry wrote: > Hi Jacob, > > Boot up the disk and wait till you hear drums and then type Control > plus S. > > > > On 10/19/2011 09:43 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >> Hi all, >> Can someone tell me what the key combination is to get Oneiric's >> accessible installer working? It's changed since I've used Ubuntu >> last, and the 11.10 accessibility release notes weren't of much help. >> What do I have to press at the boot menu to get to the installer >> before the ctrl-s key can work? >> >> Thanks >> >> >> > > > -- > Scott Berry > E-mail: scottbb1973 at gmail.com > Call me: sip:scottbb1973 at ekiga.net > computer Certs: MCP and A Plus > Ham Call Sign: N7ZIB > Repeater.book Admin for these states: North and south Dakota, > Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hammera at pickup.hu Wed Oct 19 16:08:57 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:08:57 +0200 Subject: Updates of at-spi2, mousetweaks, and Orca in oneiric-proposed, please help with testing. In-Reply-To: <20111019093711.0e46264b@teamcharliesangels.com> References: <20111019060249.GA2464@acapella> <20111019093711.0e46264b@teamcharliesangels.com> Message-ID: <4E9EF619.6070905@pickup.hu> Hy Luke, I don't see any problem if you wrote packages are upgraded in proposed repository. Hopefuly more users reporting this result you wrote bugreports, Attila From j.schmude at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 16:23:24 2011 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:23:24 -0700 Subject: Accessible install of ONeiric? In-Reply-To: <4E9EF91F.3000503@gmail.com> References: <4E9EE203.9010401@gmail.com> <4E9EF033.2090803@gmail.com> <4E9EF2A8.70108@gmail.com> <4E9EF91F.3000503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E9EF97C.50902@gmail.com> Hi I know what I'm doing in Linux. It's not the volume. I hear the sound when Unity 3d starts, but no drums before it and afterGNOME's start-up sound, no amount of pressing ctrl-s has any effect whatsoever. It has nothing to do with volume, audio itself works. On 10/19/2011 09:21, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Your volume may be turned down. Try waiting until the disk stops > spinning and use whatever you need to to crank up the volume and then > try control+s to start Orca. On my system I get a little ping as I > increase the volume. > > On 19/10/11 10:54, Jacob Schmude wrote: >> Hi >> If I wait, I don't hear any drums. >> >> On 10/19/2011 08:43, Scott Berry wrote: >>> Hi Jacob, >>> >>> Boot up the disk and wait till you hear drums and then type Control >>> plus S. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/19/2011 09:43 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> Can someone tell me what the key combination is to get Oneiric's >>>> accessible installer working? It's changed since I've used Ubuntu >>>> last, and the 11.10 accessibility release notes weren't of much help. >>>> What do I have to press at the boot menu to get to the installer >>>> before the ctrl-s key can work? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Scott Berry >>> E-mail: scottbb1973 at gmail.com >>> Call me: sip:scottbb1973 at ekiga.net >>> computer Certs: MCP and A Plus >>> Ham Call Sign: N7ZIB >>> Repeater.book Admin for these states: North and south Dakota, >>> Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Wed Oct 19 16:46:40 2011 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:46:40 -0600 Subject: Accessible install of ONeiric? In-Reply-To: <4E9EF97C.50902@gmail.com> References: <4E9EE203.9010401@gmail.com> <4E9EF033.2090803@gmail.com> <4E9EF2A8.70108@gmail.com> <4E9EF91F.3000503@gmail.com> <4E9EF97C.50902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20111019104640.79649459@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:23:24 -0700 Jacob Schmude wrote: > Hi > I know what I'm doing in Linux. It's not the volume. I hear the sound > when Unity 3d starts, but no drums before it and afterGNOME's start-up > sound, no amount of pressing ctrl-s has any effect whatsoever. It has > nothing to do with volume, audio itself works. > > > On 10/19/2011 09:21, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > Your volume may be turned down. Try waiting until the disk stops > > spinning and use whatever you need to to crank up the volume and then > > try control+s to start Orca. On my system I get a little ping as I > > increase the volume. > > > > On 19/10/11 10:54, Jacob Schmude wrote: > >> Hi > >> If I wait, I don't hear any drums. > >> > >> On 10/19/2011 08:43, Scott Berry wrote: > >>> Hi Jacob, > >>> > >>> Boot up the disk and wait till you hear drums and then type Control > >>> plus S. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/19/2011 09:43 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote: > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> Can someone tell me what the key combination is to get Oneiric's > >>>> accessible installer working? It's changed since I've used Ubuntu > >>>> last, and the 11.10 accessibility release notes weren't of much help. > >>>> What do I have to press at the boot menu to get to the installer > >>>> before the ctrl-s key can work? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Scott Berry > >>> E-mail: scottbb1973 at gmail.com > >>> Call me: sip:scottbb1973 at ekiga.net > >>> computer Certs: MCP and A Plus > >>> Ham Call Sign: N7ZIB > >>> Repeater.book Admin for these states: North and south Dakota, > >>> Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska > > Apparently, I am confused then. I use a desktop cd to do my installations, and using the procedure given, I never see Unity 3d. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOnv7xAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbACmUH/jVdp8hC64T7erXrSHTQePxs kVu4ZCdn+fM3g9VC6SwMRuWvD51gUEb89z02LsjfxTFwXSJYa5Z2DdIQAK8UDsJo BEgm50yU5+OxunzmKs2ZhCXCfJTfxSv8oC9zIkV+Ircs3BIYfo1sJJqagGUnJzo6 EJ6yDFaiLFBiOjVtMuP8t3j++6XSqaKklHAdh6zdZOt+tWErXJTNqpPY0OBz72uW 4mFdAIE2U4cO8rI6VfK7wv9p8bVY+MDu0VH08r9zBnj5eEoQTCK28x+bJcENuzCc umOna6Iob2YItnVktwjuDsXGsDnON+z4rLmWm8+9At7C0W/thSynX6hAWW2QxgY= =Ulwv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kd7cyu at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 18:03:28 2011 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Unity 2d question Message-ID: So I used sighted help and got my desktop to 2d and it appears to be working reasonably well. Is there a place (not a flash video) where I can find the shortcut keys that work in unity 2d? Also I don't see a way to be sure orca comes up after you log in. Tom From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Wed Oct 19 18:25:55 2011 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:25:55 -0600 Subject: Unity 2d question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20111019122555.072f7871@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Tom Masterson wrote: > So I used sighted help and got my desktop to 2d and it appears to be > working reasonably well. > > Is there a place (not a flash video) where I can find the shortcut keys > that work in unity 2d? Shortcuts are listed at http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/what-are-unitys-keyboard-and-mouse-shortcuts/28087#28087 . > > Also I don't see a way to be sure orca comes up after you log in. > > Tom > - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOnxYzAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAhLkH/R2tgWL+ivCq++qBRfRnlzz4 GEM4xgLJgdUs0WOLTVswDcG7lq8HGRc+0wQ1Fp4EUpLMVXyMHCXqCJNKWmaFCprh N5beZVNJbXIIls43J12aF8/PcCsHYQcbOEFvMetfAWxosPMuVjCsG8uiL2o/D8xv IMSfNxRQZ/kjs/AHQngza17gqrngIn7oYEzpXtcAtkACjFks9NJLN95wYCdmDDRn gMDiuExRHFu4kOuZLJnbB6x+88SRhh3+db7/cpYTg1mb6dTIl8j3tdetyE6GSW2+ 7yDuqaOJ1Y3Q6flZgBg45wKn4L9jIZINU6ZKRZ+9/ScxGio+frzMZbSpdIwhp1Y= =H2id -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ka1cey at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 19:45:47 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:45:47 -0400 Subject: How to run Oneiric live cd in Unity 2D? Message-ID: <4E9F28EB.9070206@gmail.com> I'd like to run the live session with Unity 2D and Orca. How can this be done, either from whithin the default Unity 3D session, or, is there a boot menu choice I can select? I do not wish to use the Accessible Installation option yet. Thanks, Dave From j.schmude at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 07:12:39 2011 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 00:12:39 -0700 Subject: My observations on 11.10's accessibility Message-ID: <4E9FC9E7.10209@gmail.com> Hi all, Well, after a bit of playing around, I did get Ubuntu Oneiric to install. On my machine, I had to press ctrl+s regularly throughout the boot-up process. This was the only way I got the drums to play, otherwise, it would go straight to the Unity-3D environment without giving me the chance to enable the accessible installer. The machine, if it makes a difference, is a Samsung NF310 netbook. After playing with it for most of the day, I've some observations, both positive and negative, that I'd like to note. First off, let me say that I've enabled the proposed updates repository and updated before I started using Oneiric. ** Desktop environment 1. The toggle screen reader key is not enabled by default. I really believe this should be set, if not globally, than at least when an accessible install is done. There seems to be no way to reliably force Orca to load on login, so setting such a shortcut would be of great help. 2. Many menu items in the application menu (the new global Unity menu bar) read as check items when they are not, and those that are often incorrectly report their status. Also, the top menu bar items read as "label" rather than as a menu item. The check item issue is, imho, more important than the misreading of the label role, as it sometimes reports incorrect status. This bug bleeds over into all applications that integrate with the global menu bar. 3. The QT support works very well. An excellent job on that one, this is a landmark in accessibility for us. 4. Some status menu items, such as the battery, read as simply "image." Does anyone have a reliable way to check the battery status without going into a terminal, since this icon doesn't read? 5. Privilege escalation is working properly. Excellent. ** Mozilla (Firefox and Thunderbird) 1. Internal frames on some web pages seem to cause Orca to say "grayed" until you arrow past them. This makes reading of these frames difficult and, if one is not careful, tabbing around too quickly in these areas will cause Firefox to lock up. Anyone else see this? 2. Firefox's pop-up messages, such as that when you install a new add-on and need to restart, seem to cause a complete inability to move focus via the keyboard save for using Orca's mouse click features. This doesn't seem to happen all the time, and I've not found a pattern to it. This seems to be a new problem, as I don't recall having this issue when using Firefox with Orca in GNOME 2. 3. Thunderbird seems to be remarkably unstable. It's responsive when it works, but often when deleting messages it will crash on me without warning. 4. Both mozilla products are more responsive than they were in GNOME 2, a huge positive. ** Others 1. What happened to Orca's ability to automatically read Empathy? Not only are the chat features to read prior messages and automatically speak incoming messages absent, but the contact list doesn't read properly once I arrow down past the first three items or so. The focus moves, but Orca doesn't say anything. Arrowing up back to the first three items will cause them to speak, but nothing I do will get the items below it to read when this happens. I've not found a pattern to it but, when it does, a restart of Empathy is needed before the contact list will read again. I'd rather not have to use Pidgin, but I might need to do so until this gets fixed. 2. Is there a way to get Orca to come up at the login screen without having to switch display managers? 3. What are the lenses in the dash supposed to do? When I switch between them, Orca doesn't say anything and nothing different seems to appear. The dash looks and behaves the same no matter what lense I seem to have selected. That's all for now. Anyone confirm some of these issues? A great job over all, and congrats to the Ubuntu devs for this. We're not quite there yet, but I'd say we're closer to having a fully accessible Linux desktop than we've ever been before, and another version or two might just put Ubuntu up there with OS X for built-in access. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.schmude at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 07:57:06 2011 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 00:57:06 -0700 Subject: My observations on 11.10's accessibility In-Reply-To: <4E9FD2E7.6000702@thefudge.net> References: <4E9FC9E7.10209@gmail.com> <4E9FD2E7.6000702@thefudge.net> Message-ID: <4E9FD452.3080200@gmail.com> Hi That's what I was wondering. I know I can install gdm and switch to it, but I was curious if there was another way. It's not that big of an issue, having the login screen talk is more a factor of convenience than necessity. When you say it seems to be the packages themselves, do you mean that Thunderbird and Firefox themselves have this problem as released from Mozilla, or just the Ubuntu builds? On 10/20/2011 00:51, Rob Whyte wrote: > Hi Jacob, > > I can confirm that the thunderbird crashing when you delete mail and > firefox frame issue are present. > > It how ever is not just on oneiric, it seems to be the packages > themselves. > To my knowledge orca does not currently work with the login screen, if > its an issue for you perhaps you could install gdm? > > Good luck > Rob Whyte > > > On 10/20/2011 06:12 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >> Hi all, >> Well, after a bit of playing around, I did get Ubuntu Oneiric to >> install. On my machine, I had to press ctrl+s regularly throughout the >> boot-up process. This was the only way I got the drums to play, >> otherwise, it would go straight to the Unity-3D environment without >> giving me the chance to enable the accessible installer. The machine, if >> it makes a difference, is a Samsung NF310 netbook. After playing with it >> for most of the day, I've some observations, both positive and negative, >> that I'd like to note. >> First off, let me say that I've enabled the proposed updates repository >> and updated before I started using Oneiric. >> >> ** Desktop environment >> 1. The toggle screen reader key is not enabled by default. I really >> believe this should be set, if not globally, than at least when an >> accessible install is done. There seems to be no way to reliably force >> Orca to load on login, so setting such a shortcut would be of great >> help. >> 2. Many menu items in the application menu (the new global Unity menu >> bar) read as check items when they are not, and those that are often >> incorrectly report their status. Also, the top menu bar items read as >> "label" rather than as a menu item. The check item issue is, imho, more >> important than the misreading of the label role, as it sometimes reports >> incorrect status. This bug bleeds over into all applications that >> integrate with the global menu bar. >> 3. The QT support works very well. An excellent job on that one, this is >> a landmark in accessibility for us. >> 4. Some status menu items, such as the battery, read as simply "image." >> Does anyone have a reliable way to check the battery status without >> going into a terminal, since this icon doesn't read? >> 5. Privilege escalation is working properly. Excellent. >> >> ** Mozilla (Firefox and Thunderbird) >> 1. Internal frames on some web pages seem to cause Orca to say "grayed" >> until you arrow past them. This makes reading of these frames difficult >> and, if one is not careful, tabbing around too quickly in these areas >> will cause Firefox to lock up. Anyone else see this? >> 2. Firefox's pop-up messages, such as that when you install a new add-on >> and need to restart, seem to cause a complete inability to move focus >> via the keyboard save for using Orca's mouse click features. This >> doesn't seem to happen all the time, and I've not found a pattern to it. >> This seems to be a new problem, as I don't recall having this issue when >> using Firefox with Orca in GNOME 2. >> 3. Thunderbird seems to be remarkably unstable. It's responsive when it >> works, but often when deleting messages it will crash on me without >> warning. >> 4. Both mozilla products are more responsive than they were in GNOME 2, >> a huge positive. >> >> ** Others >> 1. What happened to Orca's ability to automatically read Empathy? Not >> only are the chat features to read prior messages and automatically >> speak incoming messages absent, but the contact list doesn't read >> properly once I arrow down past the first three items or so. The focus >> moves, but Orca doesn't say anything. Arrowing up back to the first >> three items will cause them to speak, but nothing I do will get the >> items below it to read when this happens. I've not found a pattern to it >> but, when it does, a restart of Empathy is needed before the contact >> list will read again. I'd rather not have to use Pidgin, but I might >> need to do so until this gets fixed. >> 2. Is there a way to get Orca to come up at the login screen without >> having to switch display managers? >> 3. What are the lenses in the dash supposed to do? When I switch between >> them, Orca doesn't say anything and nothing different seems to appear. >> The dash looks and behaves the same no matter what lense I seem to have >> selected. >> >> That's all for now. Anyone confirm some of these issues? A great job >> over all, and congrats to the Ubuntu devs for this. We're not quite >> there yet, but I'd say we're closer to having a fully accessible Linux >> desktop than we've ever been before, and another version or two might >> just put Ubuntu up there with OS X for built-in access. >> >> Thanks >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.schmude at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 08:39:08 2011 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 01:39:08 -0700 Subject: My observations on 11.10's accessibility In-Reply-To: <4E9FD982.6000104@libertus.co.uk> References: <4E9FC9E7.10209@gmail.com> <4E9FD982.6000104@libertus.co.uk> Message-ID: <4E9FDE2C.1060501@gmail.com> Hi I installed from a CDROM, specifically the Desktop live CD image for i386. The CD drive itself connects via USB, but I doubt that would make a difference. In regard to the keyboard shortcut to turn on Orca, I wasn't referring to the environment on the cd, but the environment you get once installed. It is in the installed environment that the toggle key is needed, not on the cd. On 10/20/2011 01:19, Alan Bell wrote: > Hi Jacob, > > some responses inline, some things I have not tested yet. > > On 20/10/11 08:12, Jacob Schmude wrote: >> Hi all, >> Well, after a bit of playing around, I did get Ubuntu Oneiric to >> install. On my machine, I had to press ctrl+s regularly throughout >> the boot-up process. This was the only way I got the drums to play, >> otherwise, it would go straight to the Unity-3D environment without >> giving me the chance to enable the accessible installer. The machine, >> if it makes a difference, is a Samsung NF310 netbook. > was this using a CD rom, or a USB key? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kd7cyu at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 21:50:22 2011 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Not sure who's problem this is Message-ID: Using gedit use ctrl-o to select a file to open. I see no place to type a file name and when I start trying to work through the varios lists to select a file gedit crashes. No errors on screen. Is there a place I can look to see if it is logging an error elsewhere? Tom From kd7cyu at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 21:57:07 2011 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 14:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Not sure who's problem this is In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just found a partial answer. In dmesg I see a segfault for gedit. Along with several segfaults on unit-panel-service. Tom On Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Tom Masterson wrote: > Using gedit use ctrl-o to select a file to open. I see no place to type a > file name and when I start trying to work through the varios lists to select > a file gedit crashes. No errors on screen. Is there a place I can look to > see if it is logging an error elsewhere? > > Tom > > From j.schmude at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 10:09:10 2011 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:09:10 -0700 Subject: A few more observations on ONeiric and Orca Message-ID: <4EA144C6.2000505@gmail.com> Hi all, Further to my previous observations, I have a few more. 1. Many of the toggle buttons in system settings are simply labeled "switch" and one must use Orca's review to see what exactly they do. Some examples are the Bluetooth visibility and enabled toggles, and the toggle settings in the Online Accounts preference page. This is a minor issue for the most part, however there seem to be random times when Orca's flat review will not work in these windows. If I discover a pattern to this, I'll let everyone know. 2. There seems to be no first letter navigation in the menu bar, that is, for any app that integrates with Unity's global menu bar. Is there a way to navigate these menus efficiently when you have a large one, such as my bookmarks in Firefox. I can't get first letter navigation to work nor does it seem to have a highlight-as-you-type mode akin to OS X. The only way I've been able to navigate these menus is with arrow keys alone. Has anyone else noticed this? Is there something I'm missing? 3. Sometimes Orca freezes and I have to manually go to a console and kill it. This has been an issue with Orca for ages, but I'd really hoped at-spi2/dbus would put a permanent end to it. It wouldn't be so bad in and of itself, but it seems to freeze the entire desktop along with it (meaning that I can't just hit my shortcut key to get it back), and it's not even considerate enough to log any relevant debug output even when the debug level is set to full :-(. Anyone else seeing these or have any advice? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Oct 21 11:43:44 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:43:44 +0200 Subject: A few more observations on ONeiric and Orca In-Reply-To: <4EA144C6.2000505@gmail.com> References: <4EA144C6.2000505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EA15AF0.5010309@pickup.hu> Hy, I see an another interesting issue: If I launch GNOME Control Center, choose keyboard layout preference tool and select a layout with layouts page, the awailable buttons are have perhaps only "button" label, or Orca only reading this label because not have setted the A11y related information this buttons. This is reproducable if you for example press a TAB key after selected a layout, and press LEFT or RIGHT arrows. This preference tool is only part of Ubuntu GNOME Control Center package, or part of the upstream 3.2 release too? I ask this, because I would like reporting this A11Y related bug for proper place and proper component for Precise related to perhaps will be fix this issue before Precise is releasing. Attila From kd7cyu at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 13:42:12 2011 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 06:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A few more observations on ONeiric and Orca In-Reply-To: <4EA144C6.2000505@gmail.com> References: <4EA144C6.2000505@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am finding that unity is somewhat unstable but I don't know what is affecting it. I had at least one freeze yesterday that required a system reboot as I could not find the particular application that caused it. I am finding quite a number of segfaults in my syslog as well as quite a few drm errors and constatnt connect and disconnect of acpid. I was not seeing those under Natty using classic. I am not seeing those on my other aptop using classic with oneiric. I am going to switch to gnome classic on the computer having issues this morning and see if it continues. I don't know if it is just certain packages, unity, orca or (most probably) some combination of the above. I tend to have pidgin and thunderbird open all the time for work and I know thunderbird in this iteration has issues. I also run either eclipse or have eclimd running but that is not consistent and does not seem to relate (errors happen with or without those. If anyone has any ideas where to start debugging these issues or where I should report them please let me know. I would like to see this setup work. Tom On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Jacob Schmude wrote: > Hi all, > Further to my previous observations, I have a few more. > 1. Many of the toggle buttons in system settings are simply labeled "switch" and one must use Orca's review to see what > exactly they do. Some examples are the Bluetooth visibility and enabled toggles, and the toggle settings in the Online > Accounts preference page. This is a minor issue for the most part, however there seem to be random times when Orca's flat > review will not work in these windows. If I discover a pattern to this, I'll let everyone know. > 2. There seems to be no first letter navigation in the menu bar, that is, for any app that integrates with Unity's global > menu bar. Is there a way to navigate these menus efficiently when you have a large one, such as my bookmarks in Firefox. I > can't get first letter navigation to work nor does it seem to have a highlight-as-you-type mode akin to OS X. The only way > I've been able to navigate these menus is with arrow keys alone. Has anyone else noticed this? Is there something I'm > missing? > 3. Sometimes Orca freezes and I have to manually go to a console and kill it. This has been an issue with Orca for ages, but > I'd really hoped at-spi2/dbus would put a permanent end to it. It wouldn't be so bad in and of itself, but it seems to > freeze the entire desktop along with it (meaning that I can't just hit my shortcut key to get it back), and it's not even > considerate enough to log any relevant debug output  even when the debug level is set to full :-(. > > Anyone else seeing these or have any advice? > > Thanks > > > From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Oct 21 13:58:01 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:58:01 +0200 Subject: I begin working some A11y related little modifications for GNOME Control Center application, please review my first patch before I attaching a future bugreport the fix Message-ID: <4EA17A69.9030508@pickup.hu> Hy Everybody, In GNOME Control Center application lot of preference tool dialogs unfortunately GNOME Developers not associated the labels with real widgets with mnemonic_widget property, or not associated the accessibility property for widgets need labels. The typical easy resolvable dialog part is the Power management preference tool dialog. I maked a little patch for the Ubuntu Oneiric compatible package version, but before I opening a bugreport and attaching a final patch for Launchpad or upstream level, an A11y developer please review I doed changes and write hints for proper acceptable fix related with future. This type fixes will be possible awailable for Oneiric-updates later, or only possible land for Precise? I attaching the patch, and the already modified UI file. If anybody want, easy testing the difference with Orca Screen Reader with following way: 1. Launch GNOME Control Center, and activate the power management related preference dialog. 2. Look what happening if you tabbing the dialog widgets. You not will be hear some label texts. 3. Close Power management preference tool, and if you want, put the modifyed power.ui file with the /usr/share/gnome-control-center/ui directory in your Oneiric system. Of course, before you doing this, do a backup copy the original file. 4. Repeat the prewious test. Hopefuly, you will be hear all missing important labels. Now I have possibility to test Power management preference tool only when the AC adapter are connected my laptop, if have more missing labels this preference tool, please write the label text me or this list. I not used now the mnemonic_widget property, because not remember when I working the fix possible associate more widgets this property with one equals label (I think the object name is label7). Very interesting, when I looked upstream version to make perhaps upstream level compatible patch with future, the lid close related label is missing the upstream UI file, or I not founded only this label. :-):-) I welcome working future this type fixes if I have enough free time for Precise development, but need determining what the best place this fixes: Ubuntu level or upstream level? 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Name: patch-power-manager-a11y.patch Type: text/x-patch Size: 1335 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kd7cyu at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 14:58:59 2011 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A few more observations on ONeiric and Orca In-Reply-To: <4EA144C6.2000505@gmail.com> References: <4EA144C6.2000505@gmail.com> Message-ID: When I switched to to classic on my work computer using the proposed at-spi-registry (at least I assume that is what is being used as I have that in my package sources) I am getting immediate at-spi-registry segfault messages and while suprisingly enough orca still reads my desktop itself it does not read any menus or otherwise. I can not restart orca. Help please. Tom On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Jacob Schmude wrote: > Hi all, > Further to my previous observations, I have a few more. > 1. Many of the toggle buttons in system settings are simply labeled "switch" and one must use Orca's review to see what exactly they do. Some examples are the > Bluetooth visibility and enabled toggles, and the toggle settings in the Online Accounts preference page. This is a minor issue for the most part, however there seem > to be random times when Orca's flat review will not work in these windows. If I discover a pattern to this, I'll let everyone know. > 2. There seems to be no first letter navigation in the menu bar, that is, for any app that integrates with Unity's global menu bar. Is there a way to navigate these > menus efficiently when you have a large one, such as my bookmarks in Firefox. I can't get first letter navigation to work nor does it seem to have a > highlight-as-you-type mode akin to OS X. The only way I've been able to navigate these menus is with arrow keys alone. Has anyone else noticed this? Is there > something I'm missing? > 3. Sometimes Orca freezes and I have to manually go to a console and kill it. This has been an issue with Orca for ages, but I'd really hoped at-spi2/dbus would put a > permanent end to it. It wouldn't be so bad in and of itself, but it seems to freeze the entire desktop along with it (meaning that I can't just hit my shortcut key to > get it back), and it's not even considerate enough to log any relevant debug output  even when the debug level is set to full :-(. > > Anyone else seeing these or have any advice? > > Thanks > > > From chmeljanusz at seznam.cz Fri Oct 21 15:05:24 2011 From: chmeljanusz at seznam.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:05:24 +0200 Subject: I begin working some A11y related little modifications for GNOME Control Center application, please review my first patch before I attaching a future bugreport the fix In-Reply-To: <4EA17A69.9030508@pickup.hu> References: <4EA17A69.9030508@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4EA18A34.3010300@seznam.cz> Dear syr, Very well done, ammazing programmers work, You are ammazing Python programmer and You are deeply understanding The GTK library procedures, methods and objects for drawing GUI of GTK compatible applications. From hammera at pickup.hu Fri Oct 21 15:35:39 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:35:39 +0200 Subject: I begin working some A11y related little modifications for GNOME Control Center application, please review my first patch before I attaching a future bugreport the fix In-Reply-To: <4EA18A34.3010300@seznam.cz> References: <4EA17A69.9030508@pickup.hu> <4EA18A34.3010300@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <4EA1914B.6020401@pickup.hu> Hy Janusz, Thank you, but I only doed yet one own full GTK based application (Orca Teacher), and I always learning, because very interesting the GTK programming. I am affected too with A11y related, because I using too Ubuntu releases with Orca screen reader. If we future more this type problems trying fixing and try helping easyest A11y developers work this easy fixes, any Ubuntu or GNOME releases is will be better and better for A11y related. Attila From chmeljanusz at seznam.cz Fri Oct 21 17:08:16 2011 From: chmeljanusz at seznam.cz (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:08:16 +0200 Subject: Would somebody try to find The specific Linux kernel device driver for Me? In-Reply-To: <4EA1914B.6020401@pickup.hu> References: <4EA17A69.9030508@pickup.hu> <4EA18A34.3010300@seznam.cz> <4EA1914B.6020401@pickup.hu> Message-ID: <4EA1A700.2030704@seznam.cz> Dear syr, You are ammazing human beeing and excellent programmer. Many users and Ubuntu developers can be and will be prought on You also on future. I Am suggesting some of users and developers, if somebody would give ME a right direction, who would be able to develope such complex programmers think like CPU fan control for Toshiba satellite notebook and who would develope new kernel driver for The Atheros AR8152/8158 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (NDIS integrated network cart. If there is better way to find more exact hardware specifications for this integrated network chip to help You during searching, if some kernel driver is allready developed? Or if there is some other procedure, which i would use to help some Linux kernel driver programmer to develope this driver from scratch if it will be necessary? I think, that if this kernel driver is not existing, there is big probability, that Atheros corporation did not allow Linux kernel developers to develope this driver, because company did not want to give kernel driver developers some pathented parts of their driver source code. If somebody of us will be able to find atleast non compiled source code of The Linux kernel driver for Atheros AR8152/8158 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (NDIS network integrated chip, please let Me know about it, i will try to fight with The compilation and incorporation to The installed Ubuntu. I AM using Toshiba Satellite L650D laptop. Thank You very much for Yours answer. From kd7cyu at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 17:24:50 2011 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Updates of at-spi2, mousetweaks, and Orca in oneiric-proposed, please help with testing. In-Reply-To: <20111019060249.GA2464@acapella> References: <20111019060249.GA2464@acapella> Message-ID: Hi Luke I get an at-spi-registry segfault as soon as I log in to the computer under xwindows. Seems to happen in gnome classic on this computer more that unity but in unity I get unity segfaults. They appear to be happening in libgcong-2. What do I need to do to track this down or get a meningful report to the appropriate team. I of course can't guarantee that something is not screwy with the computer until I get some method of tracking this better. Tom On Wed, 19 Oct 2011, Luke Yelavich wrote: > Hey folks, > So there are some more accessibility packages in oneiric-proposed that need testing. The bugs are as follows: > 877817 - gnome-orca > 877824 - mousetweaks > 877840 - at-spi2-atk > 877836 - at-spi2-core > 877841 - pyatspi > > Similar to the instructions in the email about onboard the other day, please enable the oneiric-proposed repository, update the above packages, and test. These are GNOME stable updates, so we are not testing for any specific issues as such, but we want to make sure there are no regressions or other weird breakage, particularly with at-spi and Orca. The instructions can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed > > When testing at-spi, please post results in all 3 at-spi related bugs, as it would be preferable if all 3 packages went through into updates at once. > > Thanks for your time. > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From macoafi at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 17:47:57 2011 From: macoafi at gmail.com (Mackenzie Morgan) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:47:57 -0400 Subject: Updates of at-spi2, mousetweaks, and Orca in oneiric-proposed, please help with testing. In-Reply-To: References: <20111019060249.GA2464@acapella> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Tom Masterson wrote: > Hi Luke > > I get an at-spi-registry segfault as soon as I log in to the computer under > xwindows.  Seems to happen in gnome classic on this computer more that unity > but in unity I get unity segfaults.  They appear to be happening in > libgcong-2. > > What do I need to do to track this down or get a meningful report to the > appropriate team.  I of course can't guarantee that something is not screwy > with the computer until I get some method of tracking this better. If you edit: /etc/default/apport nd change enabled from "0" to "1", then when it crashes, the crash report should go to /var/crash and make a pop up that I'm not sure you'll be able to use to send the stacktrace in. The "apport-cli" command can submit reports from the command line using the files in /var/crash. It should find the crash file on its own. -- Mackenzie Morgan From j.schmude at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 18:05:02 2011 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:05:02 -0700 Subject: force session to unity 2d? Message-ID: <4EA1B44E.6050204@gmail.com> Hi all I'm not sure how or why, but my default login session has been set to unity rather than unity 2d. Anyone know how to set it back? I've tried editing lightdm.conf to point to the ubuntu-2d session, but it seems to be completely ignoring that. I need to get this set back, since now the dash doesn't speak. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kd7cyu at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 18:30:00 2011 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Updates of at-spi2, mousetweaks, and Orca in oneiric-proposed, please help with testing. In-Reply-To: References: <20111019060249.GA2464@acapella> Message-ID: Interestingly enough using Gnome Classic with no effects I get the segfault showing in the logs but no crash report is generated. I have had a colleague help me switch back to unity 2d and things are more or less working again but we will see what happens as I start using applications. I to would like to be able to switch desktop managers without sighted help if someone knows how that can be done. Tom On Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Tom Masterson wrote: >> Hi Luke >> >> I get an at-spi-registry segfault as soon as I log in to the computer under >> xwindows.  Seems to happen in gnome classic on this computer more that unity >> but in unity I get unity segfaults.  They appear to be happening in >> libgcong-2. >> >> What do I need to do to track this down or get a meningful report to the >> appropriate team.  I of course can't guarantee that something is not screwy >> with the computer until I get some method of tracking this better. > > If you edit: > /etc/default/apport > nd change enabled from "0" to "1", then when it crashes, the crash > report should go to /var/crash and make a pop up that I'm not sure > you'll be able to use to send the stacktrace in. The "apport-cli" > command can submit reports from the command line using the files in > /var/crash. It should find the crash file on its own. > > -- > Mackenzie Morgan > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility From guyster104 at att.net Fri Oct 21 19:23:29 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:23:29 -0400 Subject: force session to unity 2d? In-Reply-To: <4EA1B44E.6050204@gmail.com> References: <4EA1B44E.6050204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EA1C6B1.5000605@att.net> Hey there Jacob, did you install the unity-extra-a11y ppa? If not, go to terminal, then type sudo add-apt-repository ppa:apinheiro/unity-extra-a11y and press enter. Once done, apt-get update and dist-upgrade as normal. After reboot, the dash should speak in Unity 3d. I'm not sure how to force the session back to unity2d, but that should get you a working dash until you figure it oug. I hope that helps, and let me know of any questions. Guy On 10/21/2011 02:05 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: > Hi all > I'm not sure how or why, but my default login session has been set to > unity rather than unity 2d. Anyone know how to set it back? I've tried > editing lightdm.conf to point to the ubuntu-2d session, but it seems > to be completely ignoring that. I need to get this set back, since now > the dash doesn't speak. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.schmude at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 19:30:38 2011 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:30:38 -0700 Subject: force session to unity 2d? In-Reply-To: <4EA1C6B1.5000605@att.net> References: <4EA1B44E.6050204@gmail.com> <4EA1C6B1.5000605@att.net> Message-ID: <4EA1C85E.3060907@gmail.com> Hi No luck. I added the PPA, but apt-get tells me that there are no packages to be upgraded even after doing apt-get update. On 10/21/2011 12:23, Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hey there Jacob, did you install the unity-extra-a11y ppa? If not, go > to terminal, then type sudo add-apt-repository > ppa:apinheiro/unity-extra-a11y and press enter. Once done, apt-get > update and dist-upgrade as normal. After reboot, the dash should > speak in Unity 3d. I'm not sure how to force the session back to > unity2d, but that should get you a working dash until you figure it > oug. I hope that helps, and let me know of any questions. > > > Guy > > > On 10/21/2011 02:05 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >> Hi all >> I'm not sure how or why, but my default login session has been set to >> unity rather than unity 2d. Anyone know how to set it back? I've >> tried editing lightdm.conf to point to the ubuntu-2d session, but it >> seems to be completely ignoring that. I need to get this set back, >> since now the dash doesn't speak. >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ka1cey at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 22:08:34 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:08:34 -0400 Subject: A few hints requested? Message-ID: <4EA1ED62.5080106@gmail.com> Hi, I'm running an out-of-the-box installation of 11.10 on my Asus 1015PE netbook. I'm trying to use the Software Center tool with Orca. When I search for applications in a category, how can I get Orca to read the names of the apps resulting from my search? I'd use Synaptic, but it throws a bunch of errors about missing themes in pixmaps. Also, I notice that the Skype gui is somewhat accessible, but cannot seem to set options or enter login credentials. Any ideas? If I run Skype from a terminal and use the 'pipelogin' option to pass my credentials, Skype throws errors about pixmaps stuff missing. When I used apt-get to install Skype and Synaptic, there were no errors regarding missing or broken dependencies. Thanks for any help, Dave Hunt I tweet as wx1gdave From j.schmude at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 03:10:07 2011 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:10:07 -0700 Subject: A few hints requested? In-Reply-To: <4EA1ED62.5080106@gmail.com> References: <4EA1ED62.5080106@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EA2340F.7040904@gmail.com> Hi Dave So far as I can tell, the apps list in software center doesn't read although the rest of the program does. You're getting further with Skype than I--I'm able to enter my login credentials in the GUI just fine but, regular as clockwork, the instant Skype tries to sign in it crashes. Running it from the terminal to see exactly what's happening gives me the extremely unhelpful message "Aborted" and nothing else. And I thought Windows' error messages were vague. On 10/21/2011 15:08, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > I'm running an out-of-the-box installation of 11.10 on my Asus 1015PE > netbook. I'm trying to use the Software Center tool with Orca. When > I search for applications in a category, how can I get Orca to read > the names of the apps resulting from my search? I'd use Synaptic, but > it throws a bunch of errors about missing themes in pixmaps. > > Also, I notice that the Skype gui is somewhat accessible, but cannot > seem to set options or enter login credentials. Any ideas? If I run > Skype from a terminal and use the 'pipelogin' option to pass my > credentials, Skype throws errors about pixmaps stuff missing. When I > used apt-get to install Skype and Synaptic, there were no errors > regarding missing or broken dependencies. > > > > Thanks for any help, > > > > Dave Hunt > > > I tweet as wx1gdave > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.schmude at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 04:29:52 2011 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:29:52 -0700 Subject: force session to unity 2d? In-Reply-To: <4EA242A1.9070101@gmail.com> References: <4EA1B44E.6050204@gmail.com> <4EA242A1.9070101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EA246C0.1090901@gmail.com> Hmm, not exactly my definition of accessible... I don't get any drums on my machine either. Did you switch to gdm? I haven't done that yet. On 10/21/2011 21:12, Scott Berry wrote: > Hi Jacob, > > I don't think there is an accessible way however it's pretty easy to > remember. When you get to the drums if you have them like I use Gnome > so I get them and then hit enter your on password do a Control Plus > Alt Escape and you can then change it there but sighted assistance is > needed as far as I know. > > > > On 10/21/2011 02:05 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >> Hi all >> I'm not sure how or why, but my default login session has been set to >> unity rather than unity 2d. Anyone know how to set it back? I've >> tried editing lightdm.conf to point to the ubuntu-2d session, but it >> seems to be completely ignoring that. I need to get this set back, >> since now the dash doesn't speak. >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.schmude at gmail.com Sat Oct 22 14:57:43 2011 From: j.schmude at gmail.com (Jacob Schmude) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 07:57:43 -0700 Subject: A few hints requested? In-Reply-To: <4EA2D04B.1070506@gmail.com> References: <4EA1ED62.5080106@gmail.com> <4EA2340F.7040904@gmail.com> <4EA2D04B.1070506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EA2D9E7.6050001@gmail.com> Hi Dave Being an old Linux hand, I'm using the command-line to maintain my packages at present. My Dash did speak for a while (though I didn't figure out what the lenses did) but has recently stopped speaking. I thought it was because of my session being set to unity 3d, but I managed to force it back to 2d and it still doesn't speak. I suspect one of the updates in proposed broke it, but I didn't keep track (stupid of me) and I've no idea which one it might have been. Adding the extra unity a11y PPA did nothing, it seems that thos packages are either in proposed or have lower version numbers than those in proposed, so adding it did absolutely zilch. I applaud the efforts of the a11y team, but these random breakages and *still* inaccessible system apps, I must admit, are discouraging. I don't have time to patch code at present, so I'll still stick with it and test, and help in any way I can, because I suspect we're going to need a stable a11y in Ubuntu in the not too distant future when Windows 8 hits us full in the face. On 10/22/2011 07:16, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > > Do you have Synaptic running? Do you use the command line to maintain > your packages? I cannot even tell what apps are installed; the lens > that is supposed to be opened with 'super+a' does not read. Do the > lenses read properly when the proposed and/or Unity Extra a11y ppas > are added to Sources? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dave > > > > On 10/21/2011 11:10 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >> Hi Dave >> So far as I can tell, the apps list in software center doesn't read >> although the rest of the program does. You're getting further with >> Skype than I--I'm able to enter my login credentials in the GUI just >> fine but, regular as clockwork, the instant Skype tries to sign in it >> crashes. Running it from the terminal to see exactly what's happening >> gives me the extremely unhelpful message "Aborted" and nothing else. >> And I thought Windows' error messages were vague. >> >> On 10/21/2011 15:08, Dave Hunt wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm running an out-of-the-box installation of 11.10 on my Asus >>> 1015PE netbook. I'm trying to use the Software Center tool with >>> Orca. When I search for applications in a category, how can I get >>> Orca to read the names of the apps resulting from my search? I'd >>> use Synaptic, but it throws a bunch of errors about missing themes >>> in pixmaps. >>> >>> Also, I notice that the Skype gui is somewhat accessible, but cannot >>> seem to set options or enter login credentials. Any ideas? If I >>> run Skype from a terminal and use the 'pipelogin' option to pass my >>> credentials, Skype throws errors about pixmaps stuff missing. When >>> I used apt-get to install Skype and Synaptic, there were no errors >>> regarding missing or broken dependencies. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for any help, >>> >>> >>> >>> Dave Hunt >>> >>> >>> I tweet as wx1gdave >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From quirky.wizard at gmail.com Sun Oct 23 20:00:23 2011 From: quirky.wizard at gmail.com (dannyboy) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:00:23 -0500 Subject: introduction Message-ID: <72ABC587-DEFF-47C4-8BC0-4670EAE69CC0@gmail.com> Hello. My name is Danny. I use vinux in my secondary machine. But I thought I would give ubuntu 11.10 a try. I like the fact that it may be installed using orca. When logged in, after install, I had to find system settings and raise the volume. but it was odd I could not find my way around and tell how to find shutdown. Nor was I able to find the usual programs such as g edit, and the like. But maybe I will get more comfortable with unity 2 the more I use it. From ka1cey at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 03:27:28 2011 From: ka1cey at gmail.com (Dave Hunt) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:27:28 -0400 Subject: File Choosers Not Working with Orca in Oneiric Message-ID: <4EA4DB20.2020502@gmail.com> Hi, I'm not sure whether this is an Orca bug, a Gnome 3 bug, or something peculior to Oneiric. File chooser dialogues, such as 'save as' crash the application that creates them. I discovered this when trying to save a text file from gedit. First, I tried just entering a name into the text field and hitting 'enter'; gedit crashed. Next, I tried navigating to a particular directory, then saving; same result. In both cases, gedit crashed, and my file did not get written. I can specify a path on the gedit command line, such as in the dash, and, as long as I hit 'ctrl+s' to save, before exiting, my file is saved correctly. I am still running an out-of=-the-box Oneiric. Might adding the proposed and/or extra a11y sources fix this? Thanks, Dave From quirky.wizard at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 04:50:18 2011 From: quirky.wizard at gmail.com (dannyboy) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:50:18 -0500 Subject: 11.10 mixed bag Message-ID: <974ECF9E-85DD-4FBC-8BA8-1689C4B0351C@gmail.com> I have successfully installed ubuntu 11.10 as a virtual machine under vm ware fusion. I had to raise the volume after installation, but that was no problem. I used the f 10 key and found some menus. Now I know how to shut down. But using fire fox was harder than using vinux. Getting to some menus was complicated by the overall menu being merged with the fire fox menu. Also, the web visum plug-in did not function. Or, if it did, I could not get to the dialog box where I entered my name and password. Also, it is still hard for me to know where familiar applications have gone. But, maybe I will get more comfortable with 11.10. And, maybe ubuntu will improve over time. For now, vinux is still my first choice of linux distributions. From kd7cyu at gmail.com Mon Oct 24 13:32:06 2011 From: kd7cyu at gmail.com (Tom Masterson) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: File Choosers Not Working with Orca in Oneiric In-Reply-To: <4EA4DB20.2020502@gmail.com> References: <4EA4DB20.2020502@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have found this in both unity and gnome and have filed a bug (don't remember the number). I have also installed the extras and it did not help. Tom On Sun, 23 Oct 2011, Dave Hunt wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not sure whether this is an Orca bug, a Gnome 3 bug, or something > peculior to Oneiric. File chooser dialogues, such as 'save as' crash the > application that creates them. I discovered this when trying to save a text > file from gedit. First, I tried just entering a name into the text field and > hitting 'enter'; gedit crashed. Next, I tried navigating to a particular > directory, then saving; same result. In both cases, gedit crashed, and my > file did not get written. I can specify a path on the gedit command line, > such as in the dash, and, as long as I hit 'ctrl+s' to save, before exiting, > my file is saved correctly. I am still running an out-of=-the-box Oneiric. > Might adding the proposed and/or extra a11y sources fix this? > > > Thanks, > > > Dave > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list > Ubuntu-accessibility at lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility > From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Mon Oct 24 14:18:03 2011 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:18:03 -0600 Subject: New theme for help.ubuntu.com Message-ID: <20111024081803.7a3d525a@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Please test the new theme for the community help wiki and provide feedback to mdke. I have given some feedback, with very good response. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2011-October/016220.html - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOpXObAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAogQIAI3cmPX/vXSDe9mlXLfTwYHm yFwCr9flkTTMkovAE9Q8DW+DYwBydgCcRWX062sL6OS9kHRg57LQyV6efCbbjWFb zfOFBP4K/GSEkWwTRxfQbPb2EE5rp0RRm74T6/2y7/wdpZuR7hlYR9BAWEi3D6Mk xytDabkHs1LkJIIAsuW28CyPLuF+5vbuR/1RxBztEbYlEZbtaFJ9iH3lQLsMEisJ MQypwzRjIdiQKB/B4VDKaX1up1/WPnifGy73Svzs86jMHSHZ3jX4gA/oRWpzKZXI LMV1kYaEF+GqJ1MEZwyofXlcmrzA5FnSZ2FjemZI55lrDyC3TCt9t1exqX6dWzI= =Cc9t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hammera at pickup.hu Thu Oct 27 05:56:31 2011 From: hammera at pickup.hu (Hammer Attila) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:56:31 +0200 Subject: If anybody interesting, possible installing with GNOME3 fallback session the indicator applets with an external repository, and possible installing with Unity an old classic GNOME menu similar indicator Message-ID: <4EA8F28F.8020904@pickup.hu> Hy, Now, have Oneiric related with the following opened bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/724369 Prewious not ready the Indicator Applet porting with GNOME3, so not awailable in GNOME3 fallback session the oldest Natty awailable Indicator applets. I see this bugreport a possibility. If you add your Oneiric system with ppa:jconti/gnome3 repository with sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jconti/gnome3 command, and install indicator-applet-complete package after you updated the awailable sources with sudo apt-get update command, after you add any panel the indicator related applet again possible using awailable indicators if you press Super+S keystroke. I tryed this applet, and found following issue: Everi indicators is accessible with keyboard usage, but similar with Natty prewious awailable indicators, some main categories not have yet textual descriptions, this situation Orca spokening only "menu" role name. Some submenu items only silent menu items, I think a good example with the sound related indicator awailable menu item after the mute item if I remember right. Prewious very missed me this complete indicator applet my GNOME3 fallback session with my Oneiric system. If anybody interesting an other indicator possibility, an another interesting indicator is awailable for Unity, the name is Classic menu indicator: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/06/classicmenu-indicator-puts-old-school-gnome-menus-in-unity/ Installation description: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-classicmenu-indicator-on-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric-ocelot.html I tryed this indicator. This indicator shows every applications menu awailable groups right, but I think the oldest places and system menu items of course not awailable. Attila From pstowe at gmail.com Fri Oct 28 12:19:28 2011 From: pstowe at gmail.com (Penelope Stowe) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:19:28 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu Developer Summit for Precise Pangolin - Accessibility Sessions Message-ID: Hi All, I'm sorry we haven't had a meeting in a while, I've had some health stuff I've been dealing with. Next week is the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Orlando, Florida. This UDSwill be planning for Precise Pangolin, which is a Long Term Support release so hopefully we can use it to truly get accessibility working! If you are in the Orlando area and aren't already planning on coming to UDS, please consider doing so! You can register online for free [0]. If you aren't in the Orlando area or can't attend UDS in person for another reason, it is possible to participate remotely using the audiostreams and IRC [1]. All notes from sessions are taken using the Ubuntu UDS Etherpad deployment and there will be links to the pads announced at the beginning of sessions. Please note if you are attending remotely and are not in the US/Canada that times on the schedule are in local time to UDS (so Eastern Time) and that the US/Canada will still be on Daylight Savings Time, but Europe (and I think the rest of the Northern Hemisphere) will have switched back to standard. You can register remote participation at UDS using the same link for registering to attend in person. As of right now, there are two sessions out there directly dealing with accessibility. Please add ideas/suggestions for discussions to the white board on the blueprints linked for each session. Accessibility Team Community Goals [2] Wednesday November 2, 16:15 Eastern Time (20:15 UTC) This will be looking at community goals for improving accessibility Accessibility Polish [3] Thursday November 3, 15:00 Eastern Time (19:00 UTC) This will be looking at development goals (mainly Canonical, but I hope the community is able to contribute as well!) for accessibility with the goal of making both Unity 2D and Unity 3D 100% accessible for Precise. I will send out e-mails if either of these sessions is rescheduled. If you have the time to attend more than those sessions (or can't attend those, but would like to attend other sessions), please look at the schedule for other sessions you may be interested in [4]. It would also be wonderful if people could reply to the list with other sessions that might have extra relevance to accessibility so that we can try to find at least one person from the team to attend either in person or remotely. I'm looking forward to seeing those of you who will be at UDS in person and hearing from the rest of you! Thank you! Penelope [0] http://uds.ubuntu.com/register/ [1] http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/ [2] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals [3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-polish [4] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/ From guyster104 at att.net Fri Oct 28 18:54:30 2011 From: guyster104 at att.net (Guy Schlosser) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:54:30 -0400 Subject: extra-a11y Message-ID: <4EAAFA66.5050803@att.net> Hey there Alejandro and everyone else, has the extra-a11y ppa been updated yet to reflect the new 4.24 version of Unity? I saw there were updates today, but haven't installed yet because my dash and everything works flawlessly, and I don't want to lose that. However, if the PPA is updated, I will update and test with new changes. Thanks much in advance, and keep up the good work. Looking forward to testing precise, Guy From joseph.norton at gmail.com Mon Oct 31 02:44:36 2011 From: joseph.norton at gmail.com (Joseph Norton) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:44:36 -0400 Subject: Ubuntu 11.10 Live CD vs. HD installation Message-ID: Hi list: I just installed Ubuntu 11.10 to my hD. I seemed to have problems accessing certain things like the dialog to run a command (alt-f2) and some other things. However, when I installed to my HD, some things seemed to work better. Is this because I downloaded updates as I was installing? Another thing. When I booted 11.10 and used the f5 and option 3 to enable speech, the installer seemed a little different than when I just pressed CTRL+s to start ORCA and then perform an install. The install I accessed through the alt-f1 menu seemed to have more messages I had to tab through, where the one I used with CTRL-s to start orca was a little quicker to tab through. Thanks! From cjk at teamcharliesangels.com Mon Oct 31 08:43:55 2011 From: cjk at teamcharliesangels.com (Charlie Kravetz) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 02:43:55 -0600 Subject: Ubuntu Developer Summit for Precise Pangolin - Accessibility Sessions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20111031024355.680ee773@teamcharliesangels.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:19:28 -0400 Penelope Stowe wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm sorry we haven't had a meeting in a while, I've had some health > stuff I've been dealing with. > > Next week is the Ubuntu Developer Summit in Orlando, Florida. This > UDSwill be planning for Precise Pangolin, which is a Long Term Support > release so hopefully we can use it to truly get accessibility working! > > If you are in the Orlando area and aren't already planning on coming > to UDS, please consider doing so! You can register online for free > [0]. > > If you aren't in the Orlando area or can't attend UDS in person for > another reason, it is possible to participate remotely using the > audiostreams and IRC [1]. All notes from sessions are taken using the > Ubuntu UDS Etherpad deployment and there will be links to the pads > announced at the beginning of sessions. Please note if you are > attending remotely and are not in the US/Canada that times on the > schedule are in local time to UDS (so Eastern Time) and that the > US/Canada will still be on Daylight Savings Time, but Europe (and I > think the rest of the Northern Hemisphere) will have switched back to > standard. You can register remote participation at UDS using the same > link for registering to attend in person. > > As of right now, there are two sessions out there directly dealing > with accessibility. Please add ideas/suggestions for discussions to > the white board on the blueprints linked for each session. > > Accessibility Team Community Goals [2] > Wednesday November 2, 16:15 Eastern Time (20:15 UTC) > This will be looking at community goals for improving accessibility > > Accessibility Polish [3] > Thursday November 3, 15:00 Eastern Time (19:00 UTC) > This will be looking at development goals (mainly Canonical, but I > hope the community is able to contribute as well!) for accessibility > with the goal of making both Unity 2D and Unity 3D 100% accessible for > Precise. > > I will send out e-mails if either of these sessions is rescheduled. > > If you have the time to attend more than those sessions (or can't > attend those, but would like to attend other sessions), please look at > the schedule for other sessions you may be interested in [4]. It would > also be wonderful if people could reply to the list with other > sessions that might have extra relevance to accessibility so that we > can try to find at least one person from the team to attend either in > person or remotely. > > I'm looking forward to seeing those of you who will be at UDS in > person and hearing from the rest of you! > > Thank you! > Penelope > > [0] http://uds.ubuntu.com/register/ > [1] http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/ > [2] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals > [3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-polish > [4] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/ > One more accessibility blueprint, filed late. This is to try and make developers other than Luke aware that we need to stop breaking accessibility during the cycle. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-accessibility-team-testing - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOrl/LAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAqM4H/jFHXgfN0bPGq+W5zzoEVFte IxTMxSgVZvnUCrCiVwuVWbtl3cINvnlV9GXwSsB4WRCAf3vnYXvoHBCYImDjTCU6 W+rtME5Q2BCAEdDiEmzgteejCTTxcL4/2xvL3R8OsSEPg5zoCw7EyVsUW86BETuU 3AbJOMtlhZwdAcVUD2qNSDylsBEse0yRwGLJ+sNUVu8svqkizjnvfVeUNG2aNfHx 1GSSevpuvyoh6ISFwLa9TepABp5rlygmAR2sckgrVv0jB68havFnt1E+e9SScu8G QBpEWBjk3aC4n9cXsVzcDXrHtrApHXGe/Qk3Caw6nTohUaqs7zyR+EkYLULT/b4= =mzEA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rberger at rogers.com Mon Oct 31 16:36:17 2011 From: rberger at rogers.com (rberger at rogers.com) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:36:17 -0400 Subject: an input event filter to restrict or augment the mouse's buttons and scroll wheel Message-ID: <1320078977.6746.49.camel@rick-laptop> Does anyone know of a utility out there that will let you control and augment the way the mouse buttons and wheel behaves. The mouse wheel is tied two and sometimes three control movements, rotation for scrolling or zooming, pressing for clicking the middle button, and sometimes left and right pressing for another degree of action like horizontal scrolling. With my finger control, for example, if I'm relaxed, I might have a 50% chance of clicking the scroll wheel without scrolling off target first. So being able to lock out some of the mouse wheel capabilities easily would be useful at times. Part of what I'd like to see is an input event filter that could be access by a pop up window to restrict or augment the mouse's buttons and scroll wheel. Has anyone seen anything like this? If not would there be be anyone interested in work with me on this or more generically on a set of tools/utilities for optimizing the mouse and keyboard use by people with dexterity issues? Rick Berger