French politicians want to tax tablets for not running Windows
dougpol1 at verizon.net
Tue Jan 4 18:54:48 UTC 2011
On 01/04/2011 01:42 PM, Doug Pollard wrote:
> On 01/04/2011 11:55 AM, Goh Lip wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 23:44:37 +0800, Doug Pollard
>> <dougpol1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> On 01/04/2011 08:02 AM, Goh Lip wrote:
>>>> On 01/04/2011 03:43 PM, Samuel Thurston wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Goh Lip<g.lip at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I would not disparage their anger or lack of understanding, for
>>>>>> they have
>>>>>> contributed much and received far less.
>>>>> Anger, I don't disparage. The lack of understanding I still have
>>>>> trouble with.
>>>> When you have a job (sometimes 2) to hold, trying to put food on
>>>> the table, kids to send to baseball, groceries/chores to run and
>>>> watch a game or 2 to relax, maybe a cursory look at the newspapers
>>>> - which are parochial, local and skewed, I think we should at least
>>>> be graceful.
>>>> To take a simple example, how many here knows that on the Rachel
>>>> Corrie humanitarian ship, forensic evidence shows a young American
>>>> named Fulk Dogan, 19 was shot dead lying face down on deck, and not
>>>> resisting or attacking the soldiers? Or Rachel Corrie herself, a
>>>> young American girl bulldozed while kneeling down in bright orange
>>>> vest and they claim they did not see her? Would american newspapers
>>>> dare highlight these atrocities done to their citizens where higher
>>>> vested interests are involved? I don't think so. So I am
>>>> sympathetic to Joe.
>>>> People are the same all over, exemplified by Corrie, where decency,
>>>> morals and ethics are concerned. If they knew better, if they truly
>>>> had freedom, if they not manipulated by politicians, if they are
>>>> not shackled by ideologies or made to 'drink kool-aid' by religion.
>>>> May the Joes of the world turn into Corries.
>>> So we are to think that Communism, Socialism and Fascism are only
>>> labels applied by the right. On the other hand Capitalism is a man
>>> eating monster that is the tool of conservatives. Sorry guys that
>>> kind of thinking bears the mark of a lack of knowledge and political
>>> subversion. In the first place Capitalism is not a form of
>>> Government it is a form of freedom for any who wish to rise above
>>> the level of employee. We consumers are all free to be
>>> capitalists and most of us are in a small sense. When you put money
>>> in the bank or buy a CD you are investing business. Even buying
>>> insurance is a kind of investment though a lousy one.
>>> If you manage to save a little money in a socialist society
>>> what do you do with it. You can't earn interest because Governments
>>> do not earn money they only print it. There is no capitaism to
>>> place your savings with. You hide your money under the mattress
>>> where it earns no interst to cover Government created taxes by
>>> inflation of money.
>>> Here in the US the first three Governemnts are against the law
>>> of the land. The law being our constitution. This is the only
>>> country in the world where Federal Government is limited in duties
>>> by a sovereign people. It is also the only Nation where the citizens
>>> are sovereign as written into law by it's constitution.
>>> Most Europeans have the right to be socialists, which is a
>>> communist term for entry communism. Fascism is socialism that allows
>>> capitalism except it is run by Government and allows a profit on
>>> investment only. Which is not Capitalism. All of these Governments
>>> are subversive in the USA because they take away sovereign
>>> individual rights and every person must become a subject of Government.
>>> In France Zarcozee ( Spelling) is an advocate of a more
>>> concervative Government though he can't be said to be on the right
>>> by any stretch. He is also a democrat. As such he is dependent on
>>> the French vote. If he and his Governement is taking bribes from
>>> Microsoft he will be found out and it is against the law there
>>> unlike here in America. Here in the US we have legalized the taking
>>> of bribes from business by way of lobbying and campayne gifts. We
>>> hear on the news about how crooked the Afghan Government is while
>>> ours is taking only legal bribes. We are so corrupt here that we
>>> have made this illegal activity by Government legal and desirable.
>>> China has now evolved from Communism as do all communist and
>>> socialist Governments to Fascism. Our corporations have moved our
>>> business to a Fascist China where they have no protection from
>>> Government would they have done that if they had protection here and
>>> in Europe??
>>> What is drinking the cool aid? Is invoking it it a way of
>>> making a political statement without saying anything?
>>> Sorry guys every time I try to shut up somebody calls me a name.
>> Doug, first, I do not doubt your sincerity and your hopes for a
>> better country that you live in, and I, not being your countryman
>> wish that to be so too, so that it would be a better world, as long
>> as this is not done at my expense. Second, I did not call you names
>> and I have no intention to do so. Third, to allege lack of knowledge
>> and political subversion (wow, that's heavy in the land of the free)
>> would require persuasions rooted in credible resources and not just
>> what you think it is or should be.
>> May I recommend the following reading materials....
>> Adam Smith, The wealth of nations.
>> Adam Smith, The theory of moral sentiments.
>> Karl Heinrich Marx, The critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right
>> Karl Heinrich Marx, The Communist Manifesto.
>> To understand your country's global objectives.
>> Chalmers Johnson, any of his 3 books
>> Project for the new American century -
>> Noam Chomsky, The manufacture of consent.
>> Perhaps other non-us thinkers, just 3...
>> Khushwant Singh
>> Li Ao
>> Niall Ferguson
>> Oh, Franco's Spain, that's where the term fascism is first referred
>> to, socialism? That's a stretch. Musolini's Italy, another of
>> fascism's reference, socialist? Quite another stretch. And "Kool
>> Aid", Nathan has referred to a web-site on this. Hope you've read it
>> too. I haven't. But I know what's he's talking about.
>> Good luck - Goh Lip
> Actually I think Fascism came from the Maccabees of Scotland several
> hundred years ago. It is not knew as in the 20th century. But all
> your examples are valid. As to Musolini's thoughts on Socialism. He
> was arrested in Switzerland in the 1920's for advocating communism and
> the violent subversive overthrow of the government. He went from
> socialism, to fascism, because it was the path of least resistance.
> It's disadvantages were mostly unknown so he had a huge following here
> in the US art community and liberal political view where he was
> thought to be a hero of the masses. The reason these country became
> fascist was because they had no safeguards in socialist Government to
> keep it from turning into despotism as it did in Spain, Germany and
> The failing Soviet Union detirioated into fascism as did the
> Chinease, Vietnamese and every other It is not a stretch at all to
> connect the two. One begets the other.
> I have read most of the books among the first group you suggest
> and they are great books if you are interested in the subject.
> As a young man I attend communist party meetings in Baltimore
> Maryland where I grew up. It did not take me long to understand what
> they were about. I never went back. My first wife was a communist
> until she died a few years ago. We had, had a wonderful time saving
> the world from capitalism. Of course you know there is no capitalist
> like and excommunist:-)
> As to backing up with proof what I think I don't know why I
> should. This is a discussion group where we give opinions and no proof
> is needed where opinions are concerned. We could fill volumes with proof.
Didn't mean to post this copy it was only a draft. doug
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