French politicians want to tax tablets for not running Windows

Goh Lip g.lip at
Tue Jan 4 16:55:51 UTC 2011

On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 23:44:37 +0800, Doug Pollard <dougpol1 at>  

> On 01/04/2011 08:02 AM, Goh Lip wrote:
>> On 01/04/2011 03:43 PM, Samuel Thurston wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Goh Lip<g.lip at>  wrote:
>>>> I would not disparage their anger or lack of understanding, for they  
>>>> have
>>>> contributed much and received far less.
>>> Anger, I don't disparage.  The lack of understanding I still have  
>>> trouble with.
>> When you have a job (sometimes 2) to hold, trying to put food on the  
>> table, kids to send to baseball, groceries/chores to run and watch a  
>> game or 2 to relax, maybe a cursory look at the newspapers - which are  
>> parochial, local and skewed, I think we should at least be graceful.
>> To take a simple example, how many here knows that on the Rachel Corrie  
>> humanitarian ship, forensic evidence shows a young American named Fulk  
>> Dogan, 19 was shot dead lying face down on deck, and not resisting or  
>> attacking the soldiers? Or Rachel Corrie herself, a young American girl  
>> bulldozed while kneeling down in bright orange vest and they claim they  
>> did not see her? Would american newspapers dare highlight these  
>> atrocities done to their citizens where higher vested interests are  
>> involved? I don't think so. So I am sympathetic to Joe.
>> People are the same all over, exemplified by Corrie, where decency,  
>> morals and ethics are concerned. If they knew better, if they truly had  
>> freedom, if they not manipulated by politicians, if they are not  
>> shackled by ideologies or made to 'drink kool-aid' by religion.
>> May the Joes of the world turn into Corries.
> So we are to think that Communism, Socialism and Fascism are only labels  
> applied by the right.  On the other hand Capitalism is a man eating  
> monster that is the tool of conservatives.  Sorry guys that kind of  
> thinking bears the mark of a lack of knowledge and political subversion.  
> In the first place Capitalism is not a form of Government it is a form  
> of freedom for any who wish to rise above the level of employee.    We  
> consumers are all free to be capitalists and most of us are in a small  
> sense. When you put money in the bank or buy a CD you are investing  
> business. Even buying insurance is a kind of investment though a lousy  
> one.
>      If you manage to save a little money in a socialist society  what  
> do you do with it. You can't earn interest because Governments do not  
> earn money they only print it.  There is no capitaism to place your  
> savings with.  You hide your money under the mattress where it earns no  
> interst to cover Government created taxes by inflation of money.
>      Here in the US the first three Governemnts are against the law of  
> the land. The law being our constitution.  This is the only country in  
> the world where Federal Government is limited in duties by a sovereign  
> people. It is also the only Nation where the citizens are sovereign as  
> written into law by it's constitution.
>     Most Europeans have the right to be socialists, which is a communist  
> term for entry communism. Fascism is socialism that allows capitalism  
> except it is run by Government and allows a profit on investment only.   
> Which is not Capitalism. All of these Governments are subversive in the  
> USA because they take away sovereign individual rights and every person  
> must become a subject of Government.
>      In France Zarcozee ( Spelling)  is an advocate of a more  
> concervative Government though he can't be said to be on the right by  
> any stretch.  He is also a democrat.  As such he is dependent on the  
> French vote. If he and his Governement is taking bribes from Microsoft  
> he will be found out and it is against the law there unlike here in  
> America.  Here in the US we have legalized the taking of bribes from  
> business by way of lobbying and campayne gifts.  We hear on the news  
> about how crooked the Afghan Government is while ours is taking only  
> legal bribes.  We are so corrupt here that we have made this illegal  
> activity by Government legal and desirable.
>      China has now evolved from Communism as do all communist and  
> socialist Governments to Fascism.  Our corporations have moved our  
> business to a Fascist China where they have no protection from  
> Government would they have done that if they had protection here and in  
> Europe??
>      What is drinking the cool aid?  Is invoking it it a way of making a  
> political  statement without saying anything?
>      Sorry guys every time I try to shut up somebody calls me a name.
>                          Doug

Doug, first, I do not doubt your sincerity and your hopes for a better  
country that you live in, and I, not being your countryman wish that to be  
so too, so that it would be a better world, as long as this is not done at  
my expense. Second, I did not call you names and I have no intention to do  
so. Third, to allege lack of knowledge and political subversion (wow,  
that's heavy in the land of the free) would require persuasions rooted in  
credible resources and not just what you think it is or should be.

May I recommend the following reading materials....

Adam Smith, The wealth of nations.
Adam Smith, The theory of moral sentiments.
Karl Heinrich Marx, The critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right
Karl Heinrich Marx, The Communist Manifesto.

To understand your country's global objectives.
Chalmers Johnson, any of his 3 books
Project for the new American century -
Noam Chomsky, The manufacture of consent.

Perhaps other non-us thinkers, just 3...
Khushwant Singh
Li Ao
Niall Ferguson

Oh, Franco's Spain, that's where the term fascism is first referred to,  
socialism? That's a stretch. Musolini's Italy, another of fascism's  
reference, socialist? Quite another stretch. And "Kool Aid", Nathan has  
referred to a web-site on this. Hope you've read it too. I haven't. But I  
know what's he's talking about.

Good luck - Goh Lip

I used to have an open mind,
but my brains kept falling out.

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