Internet taxation is on the way!

[Harold]

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 Name just one.  That's right, only one where there's /proof/ of
> >> > failure because of climate change.
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When you consider that the Romans created the Sahara by cutting down the forests in N. Africa and various disasters were caused by various volcanos.  History is full of interesting climate change stories :-) . . .

Harold

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 16:36:29 
To: <sounder at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: Internet taxation is on the way!

On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 16:14:54 -0400
Michael Haney <thezorch at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Cybe R. Wizard
> <cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:08:06 -0400
> > Michael Haney <thezorch at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Cybe R. Wizard
> >> <cybe_r_wizard at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 10:55:43 -0400
> >> > Michael Haney <thezorch at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Its happened before, look at the ruins of ancient civilizations
> >> >> from long ago.  Many of them were very powerful, and often its a
> >> >> change in climate which prompted their downfall.
> >> >
> >> > ?!?
> >> >
> >> > Name just one.  That's right, only one where there's /proof/ of
> >> > failure because of climate change.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Actually, I'll name two!
> >>
> >> The Anasazi Pueblo Indians.
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> The Mayans.
> >>
> > Show that climate change is responsible for their failure.
> > Proof, mind you, not conjecture.
> >
> 
> Why so confrontational and always demanding proof?  Someone is sailing
> the river Denial.

No, I only lack _real_ proof.  You know, something that can be examined
by anybody, even unbelievers, and they will come up with the same
conclusions.  If what you have are truly facts they will be
incontrovertible as is the 'theory' of gravitation.
> 
> But, if you really must.

Oh, why not?
> 
> A study of the downfall of the Anasazi.  Basically a triple whammy of
> catastrophic climate change, a violence culture, and war ended their
> civilization.
> http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-rights-in-action/bria-18-4-c.html

Local droughts.  Not exactly world-shaking climate change.  Plus, some
doubt that as a real reason for their disappearance.
> 
> The Mayans met a very different end due to the environment.  Like what
> we are doing now they adversely affected their environment to their
> eventual downfall.
> http://www.vagabondjourney.com/travelogue/downfall-of-the-maya/
> 
> What happened to the Mayans is the most chilling, because what they
> did is what we are doing to the world right now.

Local resource depletion.  Not exactly world-shaking, either.
Neither can be attributed to _climate_change_ by itself, nor even at
all.  There are differing theories about each demise.
> 
> You can keep denying Climate Change isn't real, but just because you
> refuse to believe what's right in front of your face doesn't make it
> any less real.  Or, any less of a threat to the survival of our
> species.
> 
Here's up-to-date reliable tidbits in which you may be interested:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=higher-watermarks

Cybe R. Wizard
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