This place sure goes in "spurts"

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:54:29 +0300
Ari Torhamo <ari.torhamo at gmail.com> wrote:

> ti, 2009-07-21 kello 19:18 -0500, Cybe R. Wizard kirjoitti:
> > On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:55:07 +1000
> > Peter Garrett <peter.garrett at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > 
> > > What is "real"? Do you see the problem here? Is there a nice
> > > comforting equation of the form
> > > 
> > > reality=something_knowable
> > 
> > Yes there is, since any other 'reality' would be, by definition,
> > unknowable, 
> 
> Uhm, am I getting you right: reality (everything that exists) is
> knowable, because otherwise it would be unknowable? :-)

If it doesn't exist, it is hard to know it, yes.  Personally, I do
believe that everything that exists is humanly-knowable but also
recognize that not everything can/will be known.  I don't really care
about those hypothetical extraterrestrial Ubuntuers.
> 
> > what we can know is all that can be said to exist. 
> 
> The first part of the equation is "reality" (everything that exists,
> whether we know about it or not), not "all that can be said to
> exist". 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Ari
> 
Somehow we've gone away from the intent of know/exist as it started in
this thread.  I don't imagine that everything that can be known will be
known.  The universe is too large for that.  OTOH, that which exists
(reality(yes, as we know it)) /can/ certainly be known by humans.
Whether or not it ever will be known is irrelevant.

Cybe R. Wizard
-- 
The highest problem of any art is to cause by appearance the illusion
of a higher reality.
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