online article: "Dapper Drake verdict: It sucks"

Matt Zimmerman mdz at
Wed Jun 14 03:46:03 BST 2006

On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 07:31:35PM -0700, Daniel Robitaille wrote:
> This was caused by the extra "gui stuff" needed for the installation to
> work correctly that didn't work using a default apt-get in a normal user
> environment.  (the Sun license to agree for java;  asking to download
> extra stuff from macromedia for flash)
> Between these 2 packages installation I had to redo with synaptic, and the
> correct upgrade from Breezy to Dapper that appears works better using the
> upgrade-manager command instead of apt-get dist-upgrade, I just wonder if
> Ubuntu has been slowly going on a path away from command line and into a
> more gui-rich environment  that result in users more familiar to the
> command-line to have to  adjust slightly their behaviour and the way they
> do normal system-admin things.  I'm not saying that this is good or bad,
> but it is different than before.

These sorts of problems have existed in Debian and Ubuntu for ages; it's
just that we've developed a better way of doing things which happens to have
only a graphical UI.  The tool actually has a well-separated UI component,
so there's no reason it couldn't be done, but there was quite enough to do
for Dapper without writing multiple UIs in this case.  It's something we
could fund as a bounty for Edgy, though as you note, it's even less likely
that this class of user would adopt the new tool when the old way is still
available to them.

 - mdz

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