[Fwd: Re: Two rather negative articles about Ubuntu]

[Matthew East]

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* Matt Zimmerman:
> On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 10:35:45PM +0100, Matthew East wrote:
>> * Matt Zimmerman:
>>> On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 03:02:27PM -0300, Derek Broughton wrote:
>>>> Just because the upgrade instructions say to do that doesn't make it right. 
>>>> It's a #$%^&UIP{ stupid way to perform an upgrade.
>>> If you prefer to perform upgrades using apt-get rather than the more
>>> sophisticated upgrade tool, then this is your best chance to have a
>>> successful upgrade and a working system at the end of it.  It is as simple
>>> as that.
>> I don't think it is that simple. Users have been used to doing it this
>> way, and as a result I think the obligation was on us to (a) support it,
>> or (b) make much more of an effort to publicise the change in functionality.
> 
> We support it in the same way that we always have, and as Debian always has.
> Upgrades using apt-get dist-upgrade have always had the same problems that
> they do now.  The only difference is that we have a better alternative which
> doesn't have these problems, and we encourage its use.  I don't see where
> the rumour has come from that it works any less than it used to.

That may be my mistake then.

The impression I had been getting was that in the past, whenever an
upgrade broke on a system that didn't have ubuntu-desktop installed, the
developers would say "that's a bug, we should be supporting upgrade
paths without relying on metapackages", and that now, lots of people
have been reporting these problems with Dapper, and the answer is "you
didn't follow the release notes and use update-manager, you've brought
it on yourself".

- From what you've said the actual position is "it is a bug, but you could
work around it by using the more sophisticated upgrade tool".

Matt
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