[Fwd: Re: Yet another unofficial Ubuntu guide]

[Harold]

Mark,

I agree.  I had a series of issues putting together some older 
machines.  I had decided what I wanted working.  So I used the old 
ubuntu guide, did research on my own, then put together a list.  Then 
went down it to do the several machines.

I might suggest a master guide with links to mini-guides that people 
like me throw together for specific purposes.  For instance, you cannot 
add some things like MS codecs, which my list includes.

Harold

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Yet another unofficial Ubuntu guide
Date: 	Mon, 06 Feb 2006 06:00:20 +0000
From: 	Mark Shuttleworth <mark at canonical.com>
To: 	Dennis Kaarsemaker <dennis at kaarsemaker.net>
CC: 	sounder at lists.ubuntu.com
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Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> On vr, 2006-02-03 at 18:56 +0700, Ananda Putra wrote:
>   
>> http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu
>>
>> Very nice. Only in single page, simple.
>> This guide based on Ubuntu 5.10.
>>     
>
> Why do people keep doing this?!?! The documentation team needs help and
> yet people are only doing things by themselves. That is SO not
> helpful...
>   
Well, another way to look at the problem is to ask "What's wrong with
with doc team that people don't feel able to get up and running and
contributing the way THEY want to?". Alternatively you could ask "Are we
making it clear how the doc team works, and even that it exists?".

In other words, rather than assuming that the problem is on the other
side, to see this as a failure of our own community structures, and to
work hard to fix that.

I suspect that people don't like to be told what they MUST contribute,
and instead they focus their contributions on solving the problems THEY
encounter. I suspect that the guys behind this new document wanted to
have something specifically like this, so they created it. And I suspect
that if they'd tried to come to our community and say "we want to create
this" they would be told "no, you should create THAT". Clearly, that's a
failing on our side, not theirs.

Dennis, if you're interested in solving this, then you have to be
willing to ask the questions the way I've phrased them above, rather
than immediately announcing to the world that the work that these guys
have carefully and lovingly done is "SO not helpful".

Mark

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