Transparency, Community? (was Re: List-Id Changed why? )

[Matthew East]

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Oops, forgot to finish my sentence:

Also, forgot to give context for the sounder list: the thread is about
the change in the description of the ubuntu-users list to "Ubuntu user
technical support, not for general discussions".

* Matthew East:
> Hi,
> 
> * Peter Garrett:
>>> What I find *much* more interesting (and disturbing) than technical
>>> filtering details is this:
>>>
>>> Who made this change, why was it made, and where is the discussion of the
>>> implications?
>>>
>>> Considering some of the discussions of the past few weeks, this looks
>>> suspiciously like an imposed direction by someone, or some people, who
>>> happen to have an opinion about the function of the list - and who
>>> apparently don't care if anyone has a different opinion.
>>>
>>> I ask: What are the implications of changing the list ID in this manner ?
>>> Why was this not done in consultation with the list subscribers ?
>>>
>>> Some person or persons unknown decided unilaterally to remove "
>>> discussion" from the list description, without so much as a polite
>>> question to the list itself. 
> 
> Some background. I emailed the list administrators, asking to change the
> topic to make it clear that this is a technical support list (as
> distinct from sounder, which is the discussion list). The administrators
> then implemented the wording.
> 
> You'll find some information about the division of topics on these lists
> in this document, which was produced (some time ago) after consultation
> with the Ubuntu Community Council.
> 
> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/lists/etiquette#head-88abe2c4b42c90b51809db80d050efd1c2cb022a
> 
>>> What happened to openness ? Yes, I'm annoyed, and I, and I hope others,
>>> will object to this move - not because of objections to having a
>>> "technical support only" list, but because of the way this was done.
> 
> Please don't react so strongly to this - there are more important things
> to focus on in the Ubuntu community. There is no stifling of discussion,
> it is simply made clear that there are two lists for two purposes -
> discussion of Ubuntu related topics should take place on the sounder
> list, while technical support should take place on this list. You've
> suggested the list subscribers should be consulted, but that's frankly
> not very realistic in circumstances where there are thousands of
> subscribers, and people will simply not agree. The delineation as
> described in the etiquette page, as approved by the Community Council,
> seems to me to be the

{finishing the sentence} fairest reflection of the community's position.

> If you've got any more concerns about this subject, I think the best
> place to discuss it would be at a Community Council meeting, or on the
> sounder list (included in this mail). Please continue the discussion there.


Matt
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