oneline article: "Debian Alliance on The Horizon"

[Ed Cogburn]

John wrote:

> Ed Cogburn wrote:
>> Colin Watson wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>On Wed, Aug 10, 2005 at 07:16:59AM -0400, Ed Cogburn wrote:
>>>
>>>>Jeff Waugh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The KDE packages are in Ubuntu *main*.
>>>>
>>>>And they're supported/maintained by volunteers outside of Canonical.
>>>
>>>Canonical employs Kubuntu hackers too.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks, that's actually good to hear, didn't know that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> I just did a dist-upgrade of one of my Ubuntu boxes (I do have a
> couple). I went
> apt-get -qud dist-upgrade
> <something broked and scrolled off the screen, so>
> apt-get -qud dist-upgrade
> apt-get -y insta;; kde
> <chug chug chug)
> apt-get -y dist-upgrade
> <did not work, errors on nearly everything>
> apt-get clean
> apt-get -y dist-upgrade
> <worked> <shrug>


What were you going from and to?  If you're talking about Kubuntu, you don't
need a dist-upgrade for that, just 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'.  If
you're referring to going from Hoary to Breezy, or Warty to Hoary, then
yes, upgrades like that are almost always messy.  In my experience,
dist-upgrades in Debian were never exactly smooth either, but as I alluded
to at the first, it all depends on what you're going from and to.


> I did notice some of the stuff (eg less-than-latest python) cam from
> universe and that bothered me a bit. I expected a clean update to the
> latest python; if not then the required python to come from main.


Unfortunately, koffice has an inappropiate dependency on a specific (old)
version of python, but kubuntu itself doesn't, at least in hoary, and
kubuntu doesn't include koffice, it pulls in openoffice.  Are you sure you
aren't really talking about a hoary to breezy upgrade?

As for KDE in general, its not as stable as I'd like, but I fear that comes
from KDE's burgeoning complexity (and size, and dependencies), and not
anything specific to Ubuntu/Kubuntu.  I'm starting to think the guy behind
"Simple KDE" is not as crazy as I first thought... maybe not crazy at
all... :)