<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 5:44 AM, Loïc Minier <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:loic.minier@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">loic.minier@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">You're suggesting to kill the idea entirely; that might be a valid standpoint, but you've dismissed this a bit quickly.<div><br></div><div>First, consider that the networking industry is proposing this today: in all products, for all major brands, you end up in a custom CLI experience. I certainly agree it's painful to learn a new one each time, much like it's a pain to learn how to use/configure a new piece of software of any kind.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Right, exactly.</div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div> But at least we get to define this one and offer it as a base for others to derive from. Perhaps frameworks/snaps could extent the command set with additional commands, e.g. to manage the ASIC, or provide hardware diagnostics etc.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Can we define something that is less painful instead of assuming it has to be painful?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Second, you've dismissed the other benefits towards delivering a more locked down user experience (e.g. I want to ship a critical piece of hardware based on snappy, they may/may not install apps, they may/may not change the config of snaps, they may/may not run random shell commands).</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Repeating what I actually proposed: <span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">So, here is an idea: rather than redoing the whole shell, can we identify what are the winning aspects of that integrated shell (good help? pleasant command names? etc) and try to replicate that within a traditional shell?</span></div></div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_signature">gustavo @ <a href="http://niemeyer.net" target="_blank">http://niemeyer.net</a></div>
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