[09:01] <dholbach> [TOPIC] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stgraber/CoreDeveloperApplication
[09:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stgraber/CoreDeveloperApplication
[09:01] <nixternal> congrats and welcome nellery...in regards to "sponsoring" I echo persia
[09:01] <dholbach> stgraber: still around? :)
[09:01]  * stgraber wakes up
[09:01] <nellery> thanks! persia: that's absolutely something I will put much effort into, and you should expect to see change
[09:02] <dholbach> :-)
[09:02] <dholbach> stgraber: how are you doing?
[09:02] <stgraber> dholbach: tired but fine :)
[09:02] <persia> nellery, Take extra care, because if you're not much of a coder, it's easy to be confused when reviewing a code patch.
[09:02] <soren> stgraber: Sheesh, what time is it at your place now? 4 AM or something?
[09:02] <dholbach> survived UDS without Ubuflu?
[09:02] <stgraber> 4am yeah
[09:02]  * ogra looks up
[09:02] <nellery> thank you all.. time for some sleep
[09:02] <stgraber> dholbach: strangely yes :) first time it happens
[09:02] <dholbach> nellery: good night!
[09:02] <dholbach> great :)
[09:03] <dholbach> stgraber: so what kind of packages are you interested in working on specifically?
[09:03] <stgraber> well, other than the packages I already have upload right for, I'd mainly be working on education packages for edubuntu and bug fixing in the server area
[09:04] <soren> \o/
[09:04] <persia> stgraber, What measures do you think should be taken to make the processes clearer?
[09:04] <ogra> seein soren cheer, /me sees virtualized LTSP ahead
[09:05] <ogra> :)
[09:05] <nixternal> oh no, who let ogra in here?
[09:05]  * ogra pokes nixternal in the ribs :)
[09:06]  * nixternal uploaded edubuntu-desktop with kde* only in the meta
[09:06] <stgraber> persia: recently, it was the SRU process that wasn't really clear to a few of my co-workers. It was well described on the wiki but without the "nag someone from the team" part, the bug can stay on launchpad for a while :)
[09:06] <ogra> heh
[09:06] <nixternal> it should be KDE desktop, since all of the apps are :p
[09:06] <persia> stgraber, Right.  What should be done to improve that?
[09:07] <stgraber> persia: probably having more motu-sru members would help or document the steps to take if for example you don't get an answer in your sru bug report after x weeks
[09:08] <persia> stgraber, How do you expect archive-reorganisation to affect Edubuntu?
[09:09] <stgraber> well, I hope it'll make it a lot easier to get new contributors, though in the meantime we're looking at also having a few packages from universe in Edubuntu (that's in the TB's agenda for next meeting IIRC)
[09:10] <stgraber> currently it's kind of hard to find new contributors as if they want direct upload rights they need to be core developers
[09:10] <dholbach> stgraber: how many packages (roughly) are in edubuntu right now (that are not ubuntu+ltsp+friends)?
[09:10] <stgraber> dholbach: ltsp is actually no longer part of edubuntu :) let me find some numbers
[09:10] <dholbach> oh really?
[09:10] <nixternal> enough packages to make the addon cd full :)
[09:10] <nixternal> well just over half full
[09:10] <stgraber> yeah, it's on Ubuntu alternate since Hardy (IIRC)
[09:11] <persia> stgraber, you applied for MOTU apparently in large part towads seeking your per-package uploader permissions.  Have you found you worked in many other areas as well, or did you feel that you were mostly concentrated on the packages for which you had per-package upload rights?
[09:12] <ogra> dholbach, missed the memo, eh ? :)
[09:12] <stgraber> persia: mostly on the packages for which I have the ACL and for a few others but that are also in main
[09:12] <dholbach> persia: good question... stgraber: I was just about to ask what kind of server stuff you'd like to work on
[09:12] <dholbach> ogra: well... I can't read ALL the memos :)
[09:13] <stgraber> wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/jaunty/release/edubuntu-9.04-addon-i386.list  -O - -q | grep deb$ | wc -l
[09:13] <stgraber> 228
[09:13] <stgraber> that's for the edubuntu addon cd
[09:13] <ogra> LTSP relies on a good bunch of server packages ... to enhance or improve it working on these packages will be required
[09:14] <ogra> (and i wasnt actually joking when i said virtualized LTSP as an option of vm builder for example ;) )
[09:14] <stgraber> well, LTSP's dependencies for a start (dhcp, tftp, inetd, ...) if needed and also basically everything else as my company does infrastructure work and so we touch basically every bit of the server stuff :)
[09:14] <ogra> ... or LTSP in the clouds ;)
[09:14] <stgraber> currently playing with OpenVZ and libvirt for example
[09:14] <soren> ogra: I was about to say just that.
[09:14] <soren> ogra: (the cloud thing)
[09:15] <stgraber> well, I'm currently sponsoring highvoltage to get ltsp-cluster in universe
[09:15] <persia> stgraber, One of your sponsors mentions that you'll be expected to be working with the Edubuntu seeds.  How are they organised?
[09:15] <ogra> soren, i know, i read your mind ... just wanted to be faster ;)
[09:15] <soren> ogra: :)
[09:15] <stgraber> so we'll have the loadbalancer and control center part for LTSP that could the be used for LTSP in the cloud
[09:15] <dholbach> stgraber: is there anything that you'd be too scared to touch in main?
[09:18] <stgraber> persia: we currently have one for each of our meta packages (preschool/primary/secondary/tertiary)  then the ones for the edu packages for both kde and gnome IIRC, also one for the edubuntu content server (moodle basically)
[09:19] <stgraber> though that's on my list of stuff to do soon with the Edubuntu project becoming a lot more active recently, haven't had a chance to look at the details yet
[09:21] <stgraber> dholbach: sure :) I'm not going to play with kernel, X, ... unless I get that review by someone else first as these are things I'm not used to touch (although for X I'm getting to know it quite well recently) and so don't know the details and decisions which were taken in the past
[09:21] <dholbach> persia, soren, geser, nixternal: more questions?
[09:21] <stgraber> there's always the difference between having the right to do something and actually doing it without asking :)
[09:22] <soren> Not really.
[09:22]  * soren things this is an easy one :)
[09:22] <soren> thinks, even.
[09:22] <persia> Nothing else from me.
[09:22] <nixternal> none here
[09:22] <geser> stgraber: for someone applying as core-dev I've expected to see some sponsored uploads to main, but your LP page doesn't show any. any explanations?
[09:23] <ogra> geser, he already has limited main uploads rights for various packages ... i (and laserjosk) did sponsor him in intrepid
[09:23] <ogra> *laserjock
[09:24] <stgraber> geser: hmm, I already have the rights for most of my uploads, though I recently got libXcb uploaded and compiz (though part of another fix so not mentioned as the uploader)
[09:26] <dholbach> geser: any more questions?
[09:26] <geser> I assumed that extending the upload rights to full core-dev implies a broader interested in some other packages which should (hopefully) be also seen in sponsored uploads in this area
[09:26] <stgraber> indeed, that'd be edubuntu in my case
[09:26] <stgraber> edubuntu wasn't active until last UDS
[09:26] <stgraber> well, it was but not as active as we'd like it to be
[09:27] <geser> dholbach: done
[09:27] <dholbach> [VOTE] Shall Stéphane Graber be recommended for core-dev membership?
[09:27] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Shall Stéphane Graber be recommended for core-dev membership?.
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[09:27] <nixternal> +1
[09:27] <MootBot> +1 received from nixternal. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[09:27] <dholbach> +1
[09:27] <MootBot> +1 received from dholbach. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[09:27]  * nixternal can take the garbage out now and go to bed?
[09:27] <soren> +11
[09:27] <soren> whoops
[09:28] <soren> +1
[09:28] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[09:28] <nixternal> lol
[09:28] <dholbach> soren: bad call! :)
[09:28] <ogra> good call !!
[09:28]  * soren picks up a penalty card
[09:28] <persia> +1.  I'd *much* rather recommend as edubuntu-dev, but I don't think we can do that yet, and I think stgraber has the wisdom to restrict himself.
[09:28] <geser> +1
[09:28] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[09:28] <ogra> persia, doesnt help with all the server packages :)
[09:28] <nixternal> congrats and good look on the next step
[09:29]  * ogra hugs stgraber 
[09:29] <dholbach> weird... seems like persia's vote was not counted?
[09:29] <persia> ogra, I don't see evidence of the server work.
[09:29] <stgraber> thanks !
[09:29]  * persia tries again
[09:29] <ogra> persia, LTSP uses about 10 server packages that need to be touched often
[09:29] <dholbach> persia: try again with out the '.'
[09:29] <nixternal> are we done?
[09:29] <persia> +1 although I'd prefer to be recommending for edubuntu-dev
[09:29] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[09:29] <dholbach> [endvote]
[09:29]  * stgraber looks at his bed and then the clock ... doh ... only 2 hours before having to wake up :)
[09:29] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[09:29] <persia> There we go.  '.' kills it.
[09:29] <dholbach> thanks a bunch everybody and congratulations stgraber!
[09:30] <stgraber> dholbach: thanks
[09:30] <nixternal> alrighty!!! \o/