<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I have discussed the following with Julien and we both feel that we are blocked upstream from being able to actually reliably have disc-sized images, so there's really no point in trying to quibble about this, especially given the benefit to speed.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I certainly think in an ideal world given our goals, we would offer disc-sized images, but without core Ubuntu elements having a similar philosophy, it's just hard to imagine this will ever really be possible. It's a miracle we've gone as far as we have had with them. Besides, the most important thing is efficient use of the system resources.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">For those with machines that cannot use DVDs or USBs to boot, it would be suggested to install using the [alternative installation methods][1], with the mini.iso being the most reliable option. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">That said, any bug reports regarding the size of images will be marked "Won't Fix."</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">[1]: <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/AdvancedMethods#Alternative_installers">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/AdvancedMethods#Alternative_installers</a></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Iain Lane <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laney@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">laney@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear flavour developers,<br> <br> For a long time, we've been stripping .pyc files from live images in order to<br> save space. This is a speed-vs-space tradeoff, as non-byte-compiled Python code<br> on the live CDs will run slower.<br> <br> Ubiquity (the installer) has code to regenerate these files when you install<br> the system, so the installed system does not suffer from this tradeoff having<br> been made.<br> <br> Towards the end of the 16.10 cycle, we reviewed our position[0] to see if it<br> still made sense in an era where most of our images are less space constrained.<br> On an Ubuntu Desktop live CD, the saving is approximately 19 MB. Unfortunately<br> I don't have good numbers for the speed gain, but it is noticable on slow<br> systems. We consider this an acceptable cost for faster app startup, and so for<br> Zesty we have inverted this default and made .pyc stripping opt-in instead of<br> opt-out.<br> <br> This is an announcement to make flavours aware. If you wish to opt back in,<br> please reply to this email or raise a merge proposal against lp:livecd-rootfs.<br> <br> Cheers,<br> <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br> --<br> Iain Lane [ <a href="mailto:iain@orangesquash.org.uk">iain@orangesquash.org.uk</a> ]<br> Debian Developer [ <a href="mailto:laney@debian.org">laney@debian.org</a> ]<br> Ubuntu Developer [ <a href="mailto:laney@ubuntu.com">laney@ubuntu.com</a> ]<br> <br> [0] <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+bug/1627190" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugs.launchpad.net/<wbr>ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+<wbr>bug/1627190</a><br> </font></span><br>--<br> Ubuntu-release mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-release@lists.ubuntu.<wbr>com</a><br> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-release" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-<wbr>release</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> @wxl | polka.bike</font></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="monospace, monospace">C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D </font></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><font face="monospace, monospace">68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A</font></span></div></div></div></div></div> </div></div>