<div dir="ltr">Hi Jim,<div><br></div><div>I stumbled upon that site when looking around to see if there was a way lubuntu could have a wiki area that had an ability itself to become a manual. The last thing I wanted was the headache of two different teams trying to keep the wiki and the manual in sync with each other! We have neither the man hours, nor wish to have two teams who are mutually exclusive in so far as each time anyone updated the wiki, someone would have to update the manual to keep it up to date. </div><div><br></div><div>At that time, we had a fork off the ubuntu manual which we could then customise. But having seen the infrastructure that is ubuntuguide I could see the possibility of us using that method instead of having a totally separate project just for manual. For me, the idea that we only have one point of reference for the most up to date information rings a far higher priority over using an established system (the ubuntu manual). That site shows mediawiki is happy to be XML and also that from that they can publish a manual. The how's of getting wiki --> manual will need investigation, that it uses the wiki as the source is what attracted me to the idea.</div><div><br></div><div>If we get a few people together under who ever's leadership that they choose, I'd suggest getting in touch with the gang at <a href="http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/About">http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/About</a> for information and how to slot in lubuntu along side the existing ubuntu and kubuntu guides. As we share a lot of the same basics, it would actually save a heck of a lot of duplicated work :)</div><div><br></div><div>So, those are my thoughts on the matter. I open it up for discussion :!</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Phill.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 February 2016 at 12:08, jim northrop <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james.b.northrop@googlemail.com" target="_blank">james.b.northrop@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Good morning Phill, Ian & interested parties ;-}<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">have asked Ian to pass back a copy of his document( so far) to see if i can help on that first. If there are images i can include, so much the better. Maybe we could start with that as a base-line for an Lubuntu user guide 16.04 ?<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Had a look at <a href="http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntu_Trusty" target="_blank">http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntu_Trusty</a> and was wondering if you wanted something like that but for Lubuntu ?<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">i did not grasp the idea of why wikimedia plays a part in this? Were you thinking of an Lubuntu wikimedia implementation ? or a full-blown website ?<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">feeling interested here <span style="color:rgb(255,0,255)"><b>;-)</b></span><br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">thanx Jim<br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 February 2016 at 21:48, Phill. Whiteside <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:phillwuk@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillwuk@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>there is air of 'moin wiki doesn't quite do it'.. This can be seen at <a href="http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntu_Trusty" target="_blank">http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntu_Trusty</a><br><br>I'd ask people to take a good look at that site for several reasons.</div><div><br></div><div>It is more eye catching</div><div>It has really sharp full colour icons</div><div>It is blended in such a way you are encouraged to get a local copy .. <a href="http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntuguide_XML_exports" target="_blank">http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Kubuntuguide_XML_exports</a></div><div>Manual? == Ebook == <a href="http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/EBooks" target="_blank">http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/EBooks</a></div><div><br></div><div>Yes, it would mean people learning the differences between moin and mediawiki, that's for us 'old timers'.. new people will only need to learn the one.</div><div><br></div><div>This project of manual has never taken off the ground, but with a move on a different project from moin to wikimedia, there is a chance that we may have enough people wanting to do and with the skills to do.</div><div><br></div><div>We are far to late for 16.04, but we have the exciting birth of LXQt to come. Maybe now, with a new DE should come a new wiki area... one that can blend itself into making an ebook as it follows the industry standard XML protocol.</div><div><br></div><div>Well, that's my thoughts on the subject. I hope it does create sufficient discussion that lubuntu may actually get a manual out.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Phill.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 February 2016 at 20:30, jim northrop <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james.b.northrop@googlemail.com" target="_blank">james.b.northrop@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Hi all - re:msg 1 and 2<br><br>Don't want to comit to doing documentation until i can see the extend of what is already available. Phil's comment that "<span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Despite setting up the infrastructure<br>
we never had enough people volunteer (i.e. more than 2) to assist and it<br>
remains dormant.</span>" leads me to believe there is a URL or online link we could look at to see what is inplace ? GitHub, etc ?<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Looking at Walter's suggestion here: <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation</a> this resource looks fairly comprehensive, so what is missing document-wise or topic-wise that needs to be provided ?<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">If i google 'lubuntu' or wiki lubuntu' there are a bunch of links to various resources, some yours and some from others. Cannot image how the devil anyone could pull all / any of this together into a cohesive guide.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Apologies if this sounds vague, i just dont want to promise you help when the demands may exceed my tech skills or time constraints.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Thanx in advance for your ideas<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">k/r Jim<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 February 2016 at 00:28, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">lubuntu-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Lubuntu-devel mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: lubuntu user guide (Phill. Whiteside)<br>
2. DOCUMENTATION HELP NEEDED! (was: Re: lubuntu user guide)<br>
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3. Re: lubuntu user guide (Ian Bruntlett)<br>
4. Fwd: 14.04.4 RC images (20160217) (Walter Lapchynski)<br>
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 20:48:04 +0000<br>
From: "Phill. Whiteside" <<a href="mailto:phillwuk@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillwuk@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Walter Lapchynski <<a href="mailto:wxl@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">wxl@ubuntu.com</a>><br>
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A few cycles back, it was proposed that lubuntu indeed have a manual, hence<br>
the wiki team became wiki-docs team. Despite setting up the infrastructure<br>
we never had enough people volunteer (i.e. more than 2) to assist and it<br>
remains dormant.<br>
<br>
Phill.<br>
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On 17 February 2016 at 19:03, Walter Lapchynski <<a href="mailto:wxl@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">wxl@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Why re-invent the wheel?<br>
> <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation</a><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Ian Bruntlett <<a href="mailto:ian.bruntlett@gmail.com" target="_blank">ian.bruntlett@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> On 16 February 2016 at 13:21, Ian Bruntlett <<a href="mailto:ian.bruntlett@gmail.com" target="_blank">ian.bruntlett@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> I've passed on a refurbished PC to a friend, Seana. She wants<br>
>>> instructions on how to use lubuntu. I've demonstrated it to her but she<br>
>>> wants more information.<br>
>>> Basically I think she just needs guidance on how to use the GUI.<br>
>>> I've found an Ubuntu manual but that is not suitable in this occasion.<br>
>>> Tried Googling for it - no luck.<br>
>>><br>
>> I've come up with a rough draft for a very simple user guide. Will see<br>
>> how it is received tomorrow.<br>
>><br>
>> BW,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Ian<br>
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 12:57:16 -0800<br>
From: Walter Lapchynski <<a href="mailto:wxl@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">wxl@ubuntu.com</a>><br>
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Yes, there is that? I'd like to see the Lubuntu Manual project take off.<br>
With that in mind, I'm also including lubuntu-users in this conversation.<br>
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We have had a long-running need for some people to take a very active role<br>
in helping with the wiki and documentation. Many of us who contribute in<br>
other ways help out with this, but no one is really leading the vision, or<br>
is necessarily there to take big bites off of the TODO list (more like<br>
nibbles). We're putting band-aids on when we really need to replace the<br>
whole member.<br>
<br>
That being said, if there is anyone out there interested in helping out<br>
with the team, please get in touch. I don't care what experience you've had<br>
or how long you've been a user or how old you are or whatever. What's<br>
needed is motivation and drive, the ability to communicate effectively in<br>
English (that doesn't mean you have to be a native English speaker) and a<br>
tendency towards organization. All other training and/or technical<br>
assistance will be provided.<br>
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If there is 1 person or 1000, all help will be appreciated. If you're even<br>
considering this or wondering if you're the right person for the job,<br>
please get in touch.<br>
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I encourage you of all, Ian!<br>
<br>
Thanks everyone!<br>
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Phill. Whiteside <<a href="mailto:phillwuk@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillwuk@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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> A few cycles back, it was proposed that lubuntu indeed have a manual,<br>
> hence the wiki team became wiki-docs team. Despite setting up the<br>
> infrastructure we never had enough people volunteer (i.e. more than 2) to<br>
> assist and it remains dormant.<br>
><br>
> Phill.<br>
><br>
> On 17 February 2016 at 19:03, Walter Lapchynski <<a href="mailto:wxl@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">wxl@ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Why re-invent the wheel?<br>
>> <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation</a><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Ian Bruntlett <<a href="mailto:ian.bruntlett@gmail.com" target="_blank">ian.bruntlett@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 16 February 2016 at 13:21, Ian Bruntlett <<a href="mailto:ian.bruntlett@gmail.com" target="_blank">ian.bruntlett@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> I've passed on a refurbished PC to a friend, Seana. She wants<br>
>>>> instructions on how to use lubuntu. I've demonstrated it to her but she<br>
>>>> wants more information.<br>
>>>> Basically I think she just needs guidance on how to use the GUI.<br>
>>>> I've found an Ubuntu manual but that is not suitable in this occasion.<br>
>>>> Tried Googling for it - no luck.<br>
>>>><br>
>>> I've come up with a rough draft for a very simple user guide. Will see<br>
>>> how it is received tomorrow.<br>
>>><br>
>>> BW,<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Ian<br>
>>><br>
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>>> -- Free Software page -<br>
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>>><br>
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 21:18:33 +0000<br>
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Hi All,<br>
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On 17 February 2016 at 20:48, Phill. Whiteside <<a href="mailto:phillwuk@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillwuk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> A few cycles back, it was proposed that lubuntu indeed have a manual,<br>
> hence the wiki team became wiki-docs team. Despite setting up the<br>
> infrastructure we never had enough people volunteer (i.e. more than 2) to<br>
> assist and it remains dormant.<br>
><br>
Well, the stuff I have created so far still has a few rough edges. I'll get<br>
feedback about it from end users and then get back in touch.<br>
<br>
BW,<br>
<br>
<br>
Ian<br>
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 15:28:07 -0800<br>
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sigh. one more image on the way. at least the wiki is mutable.<br>
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Subject: Re: 14.04.4 RC images (20160217)<br>
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> Given the testing on the last couple of images, I think it's fair<br>
> to say this is almost definitely the batch we'll be releasing on<br>
> Thursday, so please give them at least a boot/install/reboot smoke<br>
> test on all flavours and make sure all the images are functional.<br>
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I lied. A last-minute bug found with the bcmwl dkms driver on the<br>
lts-wily kernel led to one more respin. Those should be coming out<br>
shortly for all flavours. This is pretty much guaranteed to be the<br>
last one, as we're about out of time, so please give them at least<br>
light smoketesting to make sure they boot/etc.<br>
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... Adam<br>
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