<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Hermino, To be honest, compiling a kernel on 450 MHZ machine is kind of daunting :) I built a kernel package on an old Compaq that took over a day to complete, that was 900MHZ with a 256MB RAM. But building a deb for a kernel on Debian is incredibly easy, but does require a very long compile process on an old computer. I am not sure if you could do it with qemu/deboostrap/et al on a faster computer... I have had some issues doing that sort of thing before... That said I agree fully. Compiling is generally extremely easy... unless you have to hunt for the depends, which is fairly simple if you know what you are doing. sudo apt-get install build-essential make sudo make install creating a debian package is a bit more intensive... though in recent versions there is that handy meta-package for it ubuntu-dev-tools (IIRC) Ubuntu is a super easy platform for development, though. So nice to sudo apt-get install libwhatever-dev You never know Fritz you might find that you like hacking your own computer a whole lot :) On 08/09/2015 06:37 PM, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. wrote: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:CAJRA9dzTt3HeNs+cpKnDciMj31rkK_CKej2fkQ4dJLBp6hrs5g@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> <div dir="ltr"> <div>Fritz, </div> I would strongly encourage you getting down to the command line. It will help you so much with Linux on PPC. I think once you get started you will see that tasks like applying patches, building .deb files, even compiling a kernel are not as daunting as they may sound. You will definitely feel that you are more in control of your computing freedom. </div> <div class="gmail_extra"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Aere Greenway <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Aere@dvorak-keyboards.com" target="_blank">Aere@dvorak-keyboards.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 08/09/2015 04:37 PM, Fritz Hudnut wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> But, this JWM for PPC has been mentioned before, perhaps by the time you have the time to do that, might be around when all support for 12.04 is dropped . . . . It's "hard" to work with a 450 MHz processor these days. </blockquote> Fritz: I know (thanks to your reporting) that PPC support (or lack of such) is its own 'bag of worms', unfortunately. I am impressed with your dogged determination in trying to solve the many problems strewn in your path. But at least in the Intel world, I have a 450 megahertz HP Vectra test machine, and it works with Lubuntu 14.04, 14.10, and now (more recently) with Lubuntu 15.04 (15.04 tested-out better than 14.10). It runs my MIDI music tests, including running Qsynth, Qjactctl, Rosegarden, and Java. It played a demanding MIDI sequence without a single under-run error in qjackctl being reported. That being said, it is a slow machine, that I would not recommend to anyone. Its best use is probably for me as a minimum-system test machine. But someone could use it, if they were motivated to. -- Sincerely, Aere </blockquote> </div> </div> <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> </blockquote> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- Regards</pre> </body> </html>