<div dir="ltr">Hi Mark,<div><br></div><div>I'm sure the others will scream at me, but as 14.04 desktop is over sized, it will not fit on a CD. Alternate obviously does not have LiveCD option.... However..... have a try of the 12.04 lubuntu desktop PPC, which should have the ability to boot as LiveCD and have the ability to invoke LVM stuff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>head over to <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases#A12.04">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases#A12.04</a> and see if it works for you. If that link is slow / not working, then feel free to use my mirror which for 12.04 is at <a href="http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/precise/">http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/precise/</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm not a PPC person, but I do know lubuntu is your refuge and I will do what ever I can to help out.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for helping on PPC,</div><div><br></div><div>Phill.</div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 July 2014 04:15, Mark Millard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:markmi@dsl-only.net" target="_blank">markmi@dsl-only.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi.</div><div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">My original report to the list was informational (and cross checking) since I did not find any references to the issue when I looked around. My report did not even ask for help.</div>
<div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">Installing from the same .iso installed fsadm and the lvm software just fine and I also had no trouble setting up my lvm configuration in the first place. I've also been able to do everything that I wanted that is allowed for use on a already existing lvm context with / coming from the lvm live. (My use is at the simple end of things for lvm so far.)</div>
<div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">But one can not do an action that includes a reduce (shrink) to a live / (the root file system). So I tried to do that from the rescue-powerpc selection from the CD (so booted from different root). This is what I was reporting as not covered by the rescue-powerpc use of the CD. (apt-get is also missing from that context.) It may be that lvm's coverage for rescue-powerpc is just not to be complete due to space requirements and the relative priorities for what can be done fairly directly booted from that media via that selection. Such is not for me to say.</div>
<div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">Quoting <a href="http://askubuntu.com/questions/124465/how-do-i-shrink-the-root-logical-volume-lv-on-lvm" target="_blank">http://askubuntu.com/questions/124465/how-do-i-shrink-the-root-logical-volume-lv-on-lvm</a> ...</div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-family:Times;color:rgb(50,51,51);min-height:18px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px;font-family:Times;color:rgb(50,51,51)"><blockquote type="cite">It is not possible (to my knowledge) to shrink a filesystem while it is mounted, so we need to do the actual resizing from a Live CD.</blockquote>
</div><div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">As far as I can tell this is still true. For my old iMac G3 context larger media does not work (the internal slot-drive is a CD-only one). I've not got around to setting up yet another alternate boot technique to some other root file system in order to do the reduction from where I can get everything required in place. At some point I will take the time to deal with doing that.</div>
<div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">I've not yet created an account to submit bug reports with. It may be a bit before I get to that.</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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<br><div><div>On Jul 7, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Phill Whiteside <<a href="mailto:PhillW@PhillW.net" target="_blank">PhillW@PhillW.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I recall that desktop PPC went over size. Julien took a sword to the alternate in order to ensure it is CD sized. In my humble opinion, people wanting to use LVM's should know how to install the tools needed. (I use LVM's, run 11 KVM machines and also SEL :D ).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Do feel free to raise a bug report, I'm hopeful that it is not a massive job for Julien to add in the library for 14.04.1, but I also do not want to peck him to the point he gets fed up of PPC. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Phill.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 July 2014 02:56, Mark Millard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:markmi@dsl-only.net" target="_blank">markmi@dsl-only.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div style="margin:0px;font-size:14px;font-family:Georgia">
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[Answering Israel's md5 question...]</div><div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">MD5 (/Volumes/MiscStuff/lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso) = 4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9</div>
<div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">vs. from <a href="http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/MD5SUMS" target="_blank">http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/MD5SUMS</a></div>
<div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9 *lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso</div><div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">
Extracting the relevant text on matching lines:</div><div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9</div><div style="margin:0px">4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9</div>
<div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">An exact match.</div><div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px">
<br></div><div style="margin:0px">So fsadm is missing from the command shell environment that one has access to for rescue-powerpc use of lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso burned to a CD. Without it various lvm activities can not be done from that environment. But that environment appears to be intended to allow the activities one can not do with a live file system. The configuration just happened to miss covering the specific type of use.</div>
<div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px"><br></div><div style="margin:0px">On Thu Jul 3 11:23:13 UTC 2014 Isreal had written...</div><div><div style="margin:0px;min-height:16px">
<br></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">Hi,</div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
Did you do a md5sum of the image file you downloaded?</div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">It is an odd thing we sometimes forget that can cause really wacky</div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
problems in my experience.</div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier;min-height:16px"><br></div></blockquote><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">On 07/02/2014 10:22 PM, Mark Millard wrote:</div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> But apt-get is also not available from that shell prompt and </i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
><i> find / -name apt-get -print</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> does not find anything.</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> Similarly for sudo. (One is already "root" in this CD-boot context so</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
><i> I doubt sudo is ever required.)</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> Notably</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> find / -name 'lvr*' -print</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
><i> finds the relevant /sbin/lvr* lvm programs just fine. But fsadm is</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> missing.</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> ===</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> Mark Millard</i></div></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier;color:rgb(4,46,238)">
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<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> On Jul 2, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Andre Rodovalho <</i><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(4,46,238)"><i>andre.rodovalho at gmail.com</i></span></a></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier;color:rgb(4,46,238)"><span>><i> <mailto:</i><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users" target="_blank"><i>andre.rodovalho at gmail.com</i></a><i>>> wrote:</i></span></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> The command is*sudo apt-get install **lvm2*</i></div><div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> Sorry about the first email...</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
></div></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> 2014-07-03 0:08 GMT-03:00 Andre Rodovalho <</i><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(4,46,238)"><i>andre.rodovalho at gmail.com</i></span></a></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier;color:rgb(4,46,238)"><span>><i> <mailto:</i><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users" target="_blank"><i>andre.rodovalho at gmail.com</i></a><i>>>:</i></span></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> do a *sudo apt-get install fsadm*</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> 2014-07-02 22:44 GMT-03:00 Mark Millard <</i><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(4,46,238)"><i>markmi at dsl-only.net</i></span></a></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier;color:rgb(4,46,238)"><span>><i> <mailto:</i><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users" target="_blank"><i>markmi at dsl-only.net</i></a><i>>>:</i></span></div>
<div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> Selecting to boot the CD for "rescue-powerpc", selecting to</i></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> not mount a root file system from the PowerMac, selecting to</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> get to the shell, and typing</i></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> find / -name fsadm -print</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> does not find a fsadm anywhere.</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
><i> Naturally enough typing "fsadm -h" at the command prompt</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> results in the message</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> /bin/sh: fsadm: not found</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> ===</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> Mark Millard</i></div></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
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<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> On Jul 2, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Phill Whiteside <</i><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(4,46,238)"><i>PhillW at PhillW.net</i></span></a></div>
<div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> <mailto:</i><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(4,46,238)"><i>PhillW at PhillW.net</i></span></a><i>>> wrote:</i></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> can you report the outcome of </i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> fsadm -h</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
><i> Regards,</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> Phill.</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> On 3 July 2014 01:52, Mark Millard <</i><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(4,46,238)"><i>markmi at dsl-only.net</i></span></a></div>
<div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> <mailto:</i><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(4,46,238)"><i>markmi at dsl-only.net</i></span></a><i>>> wrote:</i></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> I wanted to release about 45G Bytes of free space from a</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
><i> root file system that is in lvm and so I tried to use a CD</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> built from lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso to do</i></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> lvreduce --resizefs. Unfortunately the attempted use of</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> lvreduce reports that it could not find fsadm (and fsadm</i></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> is not in the live file system's /sbin/ with the lv* tools).</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> Part of the purpose for "rescue-powerpc" (and the like)</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> should be to do operations that can not be done with a</i></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> live (root) filesystem. Looks like this specific kind of</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> example of that has been missed.</i></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> I have not checked if other processor families have</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">
><i> similar issues for their "alternate" CDs or if the issue</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> is specific to lubuntu vs. existing in other ubuntu</i></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> variants. Nor have I checked other types of .iso's for</i></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:13px;font-family:Courier">><i> powerpc.</i></div>
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