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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Software Updater appeared again today.
That's two days in a row. I left some updates uninstalled, so if
it appears again tomorrow I am ready to call this solved.<br>
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For anyone just tuning in now, the bug in which 14.04 does not
autostart anything from /etc/xdg/autostart affects update-notifier
(yes, it's in the Release Notes, but I only remembered the
application to nm-applet).<br>
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But the behavior of update-notifier and update-manager is governed
by software-properties-gtk (Preferences: Software & Updates:
Updates tab), and the setting there to "Automatically check for
updates: Daily" seems to be not a statement about how often update
servers are checked, but rather how often updates will be offered
to the user. So even after I got update-notifier running via the
prescribed workaround, my testing method (rebooting after changing
this, that or the other, then waiting to see if Software Updater
would appear) was doomed to show that updates were unreliable. If
the user refuses updates once for the sake of testing, and reboots
another 100 times that day, the updates will not be offered again.<br>
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On 5/18/2014 1:38 PM, bapoumba wrote:<br>
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<div>Hello,<br>
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software-properties got offered to be upgraded when I booted up
this morning :)<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 5:23 PM, John
Hupp <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lubuntu@prpcompany.com" target="_blank">lubuntu@prpcompany.com</a>></span>
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<div>When I booted the laptop today (with the Default
applications for LXSession in place), I was immediately
offered updates, so I take that as a good initial
confirmation of what I posted yesterday.<br>
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I installed some, but not all of the updates, so we'll
see if I'm offered more over the next couple days.
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On 5/17/2014 5:07 PM, bapoumba wrote:<br>
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everything is set up to daily.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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b.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 17, 2014 at
10:46 PM, John Hupp <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>At this point I'd like to think that
there is much less of a problem than I
thought for a while, but since the issue
has security implications it's worth being
sure.<br>
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Assuming proper behavior for a moment,
apart from phased updates, another
delineation point is whether the available
updates are Security or Other.
Preferences: Software & Updates:
Updates (software-properties-gtk) by
default is set to display security updates
immediately (but only once daily, as it
now seems to mean!), but other updates
weekly. So if your list happens to
include only other updates, then nothing
would appear for a week.
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On 5/17/2014 4:34 PM, bapoumba wrote:<br>
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<div>Hello :)<br>
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I've been keeping an
eye on this.<br>
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For 2 days,
update-notifier has
not reported anything.
just checked today
with apt-get and got
this from a simulation
on upgrade :<br>
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The following packages
will be upgraded:<br>
apport apport-gtk
python3-apport
python3-problem-report<br>
python3-software-properties
software-properties-common<br>
software-properties-gtk<br>
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Looking here : <a
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href="http://people.canonical.com/%7Eubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html"
target="_blank">http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html</a>,
I see
software-propoerties has
currently been offered
to 90% of users and is
on day 2, I'll wait for
a day or two.<br>
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The other one that I have
installed and could be
upgraded is apport, but it
is being blocked due to <a
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href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1282349"
target="_blank">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1282349</a><br>
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The apport bug seems fixed,
but the package offered by
apt-get is still 2.14.1 :<br>
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Inst apport
[2.14.1-0ubuntu3]
(2.14.1-0ubuntu3.1
Ubuntu:14.04/trusty-updates
[all])<br>
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when the fix is in package
apport - 2.14.2-0ubuntu1, only
available in utopic for now
(I'm on trusty).<br>
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So we'll see.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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b.<br>
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17, 2014 at 9:36 PM, John Hupp <span
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<div>On 5/17/2014 2:57 PM,
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On Sat, 17 May 2014
14:37:38 -0400<br>
John Hupp <<a
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href="mailto:lubuntu@prpcompany.com"
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Some fresh experiences
today:<br>
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I booted the laptop,
manually ran just
"update-notifier" from
the<br>
terminal (and yes, I did
forget to add " &"),
and Software Updater<br>
appeared almost
immediately to offer a
big batch of updates.<br>
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Rather inexplicable, but
running with it just to
see what would happen,<br>
I rebooted without
installing anything,
added update-notifier to
Default<br>
applications for
LXSession: Autostart
tab, and rebooted again.
The<br>
update-notifier
changelog indicates that
it is supposed to poll
every<br>
180 seconds. For good
measure I gave it 10
minutes, but Software<br>
Updater did not appear.
I rebooted 10 times and
waited 10 minutes each<br>
time, all with the same
no-show results.<br>
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I also booted the
desktop on which I
installed 14.04 a couple
days ago.<br>
I did not manually run
update-notifier but
instead set up the<br>
update-notifier
workaround in Default
applications for
LXSession. I<br>
rebooted and *Software
Updater almost
immediately offered 140+
MB of<br>
updates*, which I
installed.<br>
<br>
Back on the laptop, I
gave it an Ethernet
connection and rebooted
5 more<br>
times, waiting 10
minutes each time.
Still no updates
offered.<br>
<br>
I removed the
update-notifier entry
from Default
applications for<br>
LXSession: Autostart,
pulled the Ethernet
plug, switched the WiFi
back<br>
on, and rebooted. I ran
"update-notifier &"
from a terminal and
waited<br>
10 minutes. No results.
I did this 5 times.<br>
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Then I did the same as
above but ran
"dbus-launch
update-notifier &"<br>
instead. I did this 3
times with no results.<br>
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The only hypothesis I
can see from the above
is that<br>
update-notifier/manager
will offer the updates
once (per day?), and if<br>
you don't install them
it will not offer them
again.<br>
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Could this be?<br>
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I think in software and
updates from the menu is
set to check daily by
default.<br>
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I see that now, and that may be
the simple and good explanation
for what appeared to be bad
behavior. Though
update-notifier runs as a daemon
and polls every 180s, it is
update-manager that actually
offers the updates, so clearly
there is some mechanism between
them (which I have asked about
here before).<br>
<br>
Software-properties-gtk (aka
Preferences: Software &
Updates) is supposed to "manage
the repositories that you
install software from," and its
manpage describes it simply as a
software sources list editor,
but via its Updates tab it also
seems to govern
update-notifier/manager.<br>
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Since it cannot be set to check
more often than daily, it looks
like I'll have to wait until
tomorrow to confirm whether it
works, but I'll manually add
update-notifier back to the
Autostart list.<br>
<br>
If that succeeds, then there
really is no deep problem, only
the problem with
/etc/xdg/autostart that also
affects nm-applet, etc., for
which we have the workaround
(and for which a true fix is in
the works).<br>
<br>
Thanks, Brendan!
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