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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">When I booted the laptop today (with
the Default applications for LXSession in place), I was
immediately offered updates, so I take that as a good initial
confirmation of what I posted yesterday.<br>
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I installed some, but not all of the updates, so we'll see if I'm
offered more over the next couple days.<br>
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On 5/17/2014 5:07 PM, bapoumba wrote:<br>
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everything is set up to daily.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 10:46 PM, John
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<div>At this point I'd like to think that there is much
less of a problem than I thought for a while, but since
the issue has security implications it's worth being
sure.<br>
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Assuming proper behavior for a moment, apart from phased
updates, another delineation point is whether the
available updates are Security or Other. Preferences:
Software & Updates: Updates
(software-properties-gtk) by default is set to display
security updates immediately (but only once daily, as it
now seems to mean!), but other updates weekly. So if
your list happens to include only other updates, then
nothing would appear for a week.
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On 5/17/2014 4:34 PM, bapoumba wrote:<br>
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<div>Hello :)<br>
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I've been keeping an eye on this.<br>
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For 2 days, update-notifier has not
reported anything. just checked
today with apt-get and got this from
a simulation on upgrade :<br>
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The following packages will be
upgraded:<br>
apport apport-gtk python3-apport
python3-problem-report<br>
python3-software-properties
software-properties-common<br>
software-properties-gtk<br>
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Looking here : <a
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target="_blank">http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html</a>,
I see software-propoerties has
currently been offered to 90% of users
and is on day 2, I'll wait for a day
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The other one that I have installed and
could be upgraded is apport, but it is
being blocked due to <a
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The apport bug seems fixed, but the
package offered by apt-get is still 2.14.1
:<br>
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Inst apport [2.14.1-0ubuntu3]
(2.14.1-0ubuntu3.1
Ubuntu:14.04/trusty-updates [all])<br>
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when the fix is in package apport -
2.14.2-0ubuntu1, only available in utopic
for now (I'm on trusty).<br>
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So we'll see.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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b.<br>
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<div>On 5/17/2014 2:57 PM, brendanperrine
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> On Sat, 17
May 2014 14:37:38 -0400<br>
John Hupp <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lubuntu@prpcompany.com"
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solid;padding-left:1ex"> Some fresh
experiences today:<br>
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I booted the laptop, manually ran just
"update-notifier" from the<br>
terminal (and yes, I did forget to add
" &"), and Software Updater<br>
appeared almost immediately to offer a
big batch of updates.<br>
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Rather inexplicable, but running with
it just to see what would happen,<br>
I rebooted without installing
anything, added update-notifier to
Default<br>
applications for LXSession: Autostart
tab, and rebooted again. The<br>
update-notifier changelog indicates
that it is supposed to poll every<br>
180 seconds. For good measure I gave
it 10 minutes, but Software<br>
Updater did not appear. I rebooted 10
times and waited 10 minutes each<br>
time, all with the same no-show
results.<br>
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I also booted the desktop on which I
installed 14.04 a couple days ago.<br>
I did not manually run update-notifier
but instead set up the<br>
update-notifier workaround in Default
applications for LXSession. I<br>
rebooted and *Software Updater almost
immediately offered 140+ MB of<br>
updates*, which I installed.<br>
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Back on the laptop, I gave it an
Ethernet connection and rebooted 5
more<br>
times, waiting 10 minutes each time.
Still no updates offered.<br>
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I removed the update-notifier entry
from Default applications for<br>
LXSession: Autostart, pulled the
Ethernet plug, switched the WiFi back<br>
on, and rebooted. I ran
"update-notifier &" from a
terminal and waited<br>
10 minutes. No results. I did this 5
times.<br>
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Then I did the same as above but ran
"dbus-launch update-notifier &"<br>
instead. I did this 3 times with no
results.<br>
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The only hypothesis I can see from the
above is that<br>
update-notifier/manager will offer the
updates once (per day?), and if<br>
you don't install them it will not
offer them again.<br>
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Could this be?<br>
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I think in software and updates from the
menu is set to check daily by default.<br>
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I see that now, and that may be the simple and
good explanation for what appeared to be bad
behavior. Though update-notifier runs as a
daemon and polls every 180s, it is
update-manager that actually offers the
updates, so clearly there is some mechanism
between them (which I have asked about here
before).<br>
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Software-properties-gtk (aka Preferences:
Software & Updates) is supposed to "manage
the repositories that you install software
from," and its manpage describes it simply as
a software sources list editor, but via its
Updates tab it also seems to govern
update-notifier/manager.<br>
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Since it cannot be set to check more often
than daily, it looks like I'll have to wait
until tomorrow to confirm whether it works,
but I'll manually add update-notifier back to
the Autostart list.<br>
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If that succeeds, then there really is no deep
problem, only the problem with
/etc/xdg/autostart that also affects
nm-applet, etc., for which we have the
workaround (and for which a true fix is in the
works).<br>
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Thanks, Brendan!
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