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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Rafael:<br>
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      It would be good to have all of the relevant information initially
      within the bug-report.  <br>
      <br>
      I will wait to submit it until you report back on what you find
      out in your additional tests.  <br>
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      I think you are saying that the customization wouldn't work in
      Lubuntu even if I developed a custom theme (per Nio's
      suggestion).  <br>
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      - Aere<br>
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      On 05/04/2014 05:55 AM, Rafael Laguna wrote:<br>
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          problem here aren't the themes, is the XSettings daemon. Each
          environment has its own: XFCE has xfce4-settings-manager,
          Gnome has gnome-settings-daemon, etc.</div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">The
          package you're looking for is lxsession. LXDE has a standalone
          version of the daemon, called lxsession-daemon which loads
          independent config files. I need to do more tests to see if
          this is working.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">But
          I insist, this "bug" is not theme related.</div>
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          <div dir="ltr">--<br>
            Rafael Laguna<br>
            Lubuntu Artwork Team<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-05-04 5:11 GMT+02:00 Israel <span
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              href="mailto:israeldahl@gmail.com" target="_blank">israeldahl@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                  <div>On 05/03/2014 08:03 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:<br>
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                    <div>On 05/03/2014 06:48 PM, Israel wrote:<br>
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                      <div>On 05/03/2014 07:26 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:<br>
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                        <div>Rafael:<br>
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                          I will report it as a bug.  What package
                          should it be reported against?  <br>
                          <br>
                          Unfortunately, it appears to be one more step
                          down the Ubuntu road of taking away
                          customization.  So I'm doubtful anything will
                          come of it.  But it means a lot to me, so I
                          will report it, nevertheless.  <br>
                          <br>
                          It may well be the end of color
                          customization.  <br>
                          <br>
                          - Aere<br>
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                          On 05/03/2014 05:33 PM, Rafael Laguna wrote:<br>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">More




                              clues. I've tested on a few environments.</div>
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                            <div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">1.




                              Lubuntu does no colorize at all. Nor fgtk2
                              nor gtk3.</div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">2.




                              XFCE (using Shimmer's gtk-theme-config)
                              DOES colorize only gtk2 (pretty normal, as
                              usually gtk3 is not able to do this)</div>
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                              Mate. The same as XFCE, only colorizes
                              gtk2 apps (I insist, gtk3 apps cannot be
                              colorized as is, they need to be tweaked
                              via .gtk-3.0 RC).</div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">4.




                              Ubuntu hasn't this feature anymore.</div>
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                            <div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">So,




                              as colorization works in every environment
                              as eexpected, the problem is ours. But
                              themes react fine in other desktops, so
                              there's no problem at all on engines or
                              themes RC files.</div>
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                            <div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">So,




                              once tested all steps, there's only one
                              left: the LXDE session settings daemon.
                              Shall we declare it as a bug?</div>
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                              <div dir="ltr">--<br>
                                Rafael Laguna<br>
                                Lubuntu Artwork Team<br>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">2014-05-04 0:23
                              GMT+02:00 Rafael Laguna <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                  target="_blank">rafaellaguna@ubuntu.com</a>></span>:<br>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Yes,




                                    I can't customize Lubuntu-default,
                                    experimental Box, or even Adwaita.
                                    Now I'm testing Xubuntu themes and
                                    they seem to be un-colorizable too.
                                    Something's happening to the Desktop
                                    Settings daemon. It's not theme or
                                    engine related. It also affects
                                    GTK3.</div>
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                                    me try more tests on other
                                    environments and I hope to have an
                                    answer or, at least, a clue.</div>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">--<br>
                                        Rafael Laguna<br>
                                        Lubuntu Artwork Team<br>
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                                  <div class="gmail_quote">2014-05-03
                                    22:37 GMT+02:00 Aere Greenway <span
                                      dir="ltr"><<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:Aere@dvorak-keyboards.com"
                                        target="_blank">Aere@dvorak-keyboards.com</a>></span>:
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                                          I encountered a problem with
                                          Lubuntu 14.04 which (to me) is
                                          a show-stopper.  I'm sure it
                                          isn't as important to others.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I have my own peculiar style
                                          of customized colors.  One of
                                          the main reasons my primary
                                          system uses Lubuntu is because
                                          of the color-customization,
                                          which retains the ease-of-use
                                          that was present in Ubuntu
                                          11.04.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I upgraded a Lubuntu 13.10
                                          system for which the colors
                                          worked fine. After the upgrade
                                          to 14.04, the color
                                          customization does not appear
                                          in any windows I have tried
                                          (and I have tried a lot of
                                          them).<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Even in the window where you
                                          change the appearance with
                                          custom colors, it shows that
                                          it remembers the colors I
                                          specified, but the specified
                                          colors are not used in the
                                          window in which I specify
                                          them.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          It appears that
                                          color-customization can be
                                          done in the preferences
                                          settings, but the color
                                          customization you specify is
                                          universally ignored.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Does anyone have any idea of
                                          how to make
                                          color-customization work in
                                          Lubuntu 14.04?<span><font
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                                              -- <br>
                                              Sincerely,<br>
                                              Aere<br>
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Aere</pre>
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                      Of course you can always make your own theme, so
                      it will never be dead.  I have made a few themes
                      for the WM, and the panel is still customizable
                      fortunately.<br>
                      @Aere, Rafael did say the bug was in lubuntu
                      session settings daemon.<br>
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                    Israel:<br>
                    <br>
                    Is there something in the repository you install to
                    build your own theme?  If so, what is the package
                    name I should use (or search-for)?  <br>
                    <br>
                    Using Synaptic Package Manager, searching for
                    'lubuntu', I do not see anything that resembles
                    "lubuntu session settings daemon".  Do you know what
                    the package name is for it?  <br>
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Aere</pre>
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              Aere, it depends on what kind of theme you are making.  If
              you want the widgets (buttons, progress bars etc...) that
              is GTK, which I don't know a whole lot about.<br>
              If you are talking about window borders, etc.. that is
              openbox.  Openbox themes are simple xml files, that you
              can edit by hand (or programatically if you fancy).<br>
              <br>
              Before you go downloading Geany for some Openbox fun try
              out:<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://box-look.org/"
                target="_blank">http://box-look.org/</a><br>
              <br>
              You can also browse for GTK themes:<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://xfce-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=100"
                target="_blank">http://xfce-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=100</a><br>
              (If I remember Lubuntu might support GTK3 also... but I
              don't know for 100% sure off the top of my head)<br>
              <br>
              I hope this helps  <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              I think the package with the issue is related to the
              lxsession package.... but Rafael, or one of the developers
              may have a better idea what part is actually the problem.<span
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Aere</pre>
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