<div dir="ltr">2013/10/30 Ali Linx (amjjawad) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amjjawad@gmail.com" target="_blank">amjjawad@gmail.com</a>></span><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Iberê Fernandes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ibere.fernandes@gmail.com" target="_blank">ibere.fernandes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi there!
<div><br></div><div>Should we announce in our channels at Facebook and G+ that Lubuntu 12.04 has reached EOL?</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not running Lubuntu 12.04 and I don't have a L12.04 image. </div><div><br>
</div><div>If someone still has Lubuntu 12.04, could you provide the output of this command, please?</div><div><br></div><div><div>ubuntu-support-status --show-all</div></div><div><br></div><div>source:</div><div><a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life" target="_blank">http://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Iberê</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>This is: Linux 3.2.0-55-generic #85-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 2 12:29:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux (Lubuntu 12.04 amd64).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Output of that tricky command is:</div><div><br></div><div>- - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br clear="all"></div><div><br></div><div><div><b>$ ubuntu-support-status --show-all</b></div><div><br></div><div>
<b><font color="#ff0000">You have 20 packages (1.6%) supported until October 2013 (18m)<br>
</font></b></div><div>You have 15 packages (1.2%) supported until April 2015 (18m)</div><div>You have 996 packages (81.9%) supported until April 2017 (5y)</div><div>You have 3 packages (0.2%) supported until October 2018 (5y)</div>
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<div><br></div><div>You have 0 packages (0.0%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded</div></div><div>You have 182 packages (15.0%) that are unsupported</div></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><b><font color="#ff0000">Supported until October 2013 (18m):</font></b></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#ff0000">esound-common libaudiofile1 libcue1 libenca0 libesd0 libgsf-1-114 </font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#ff0000">libgsf-1-common libid3tag0 libimlib2 libmad0 libva-x11-1 libvdpau1 </font></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#ff0000">libxcb-composite0 libxcb-randr0 libxcb-xv0 notification-daemon pidgin </font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#ff0000">pidgin-data xscreensaver xscreensaver-data </font></div>
<div><br></div>- - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br clear="all"><div><br></div><div>NOW, which part that tells you this system has reached its EOL and should NOT be used? this part?</div><b><font color="#ff0000">"You have 20 packages (1.6%) supported until October 2013 (18m)"</font></b><div>
<br></div><div>If YES, then what is the difference between this:</div><div><div><b><font color="#0000ff">You have 20 packages (1.6%) supported until October 2013 (18m)<br></font></b></div></div><div><b><font color="#ff0000"><br>
</font></b></div>and this:<div><b><font color="#ff0000"><br></font></b></div><div><div><b><font color="#0000ff">You have 182 packages (15.0%) that are unsupported</font></b></div></div><div><br></div><div>The reason why I am asking is because the output of:</div>
<div><br></div><div><div><b>$ ubuntu-support-status --show-all</b></div></div><div><b><br></b></div>That shows "unsupported packages" on my Lubuntu 12.04 Installation <b><i>(which supposed that it has reached its EOL)</i></b> is very close to the output that shows "unsupported packages" on my Lubuntu 13.04 installation <b><i>which has NOT yet reached its EOL</i></b>.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Examples of <b><u><font color="#ff0000">mutual</font></u></b> <b><u>'unsupported packages'</u></b> on both my Lubuntu <b><u>12.04</u></b> installation and Lubuntu <u><b>13.04</b></u> installations:</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><ul><li>lubuntu-artwork<br></li><li>lxpanel<br></li><li>lxsession<br></li><li>xfce4-power-manager<br></li><li>pcmanfm<br></li></ul><div><br></div><div>These packages (just an example of much more packages) are indeed on the official repositories.</div>
<div><br></div><div>These packages, as per the command, are not supported whether on Lubuntu 12.04 or Lubuntu 13.04.</div><div><br></div><div>Now, I do hope you see why this is confusing.</div><div><br></div><div>If both Lubuntu 12.04 and Lubuntu 13.04 showing the SAME unsupported packages, HOW CAN you tell which system has reached its EOL and must not be used and which system is still usable? </div>
<div><br></div><div>Unless of course, the part that says "unsupported packages" should be ignored and this part is what we need to look at to tell which has reached its EOL and which one is not:</div><div><br></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#000000"><b><u>Lubutnu 12.04</u></b></font></div><font color="#0000ff"><b><i>You have 20 packages (1.6%) supported until October 2013 (18m)</i></b></font><br><font color="#0000ff">You have 15 packages (1.2%) supported until April 2015 (18m)</font><br>
<font color="#0000ff">You have 996 packages (81.9%) supported until April 2017 (5y)</font><br><font color="#0000ff">You have 3 packages (0.2%) supported until October 2018 (5y)</font><div class="im"><br><br><font color="#0000ff">You have 0 packages (0.0%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded</font><br>
</div><font color="#0000ff">You have 182 packages (15.0%) that are unsupported</font><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div><b><u>Lubuntu 13.04</u></b></div><div class="im"><font color="#0000ff"><b><i>You have 1200 packages (84.8%) supported until January 2014 (9m)<br>
</i></b>You have 12 packages (0.8%) supported until July 2014 (9m)<br><br>You have 0 packages (0.0%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded<br>You have 203 packages (14.3%) that are unsupported</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">- - - - - - </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">HOWEVER, why PCManFM for example or LXPanel is UNsupported on 13.04?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">I hope you see why this is confusing and I do strongly suggest we create a<b> NEW Wiki Page</b> to explain this since this has been an endless debate since Lubuntu 12.04 (one year and a half).</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">By the way, I have:</div><div class="gmail_extra">Lubuntu 12.04 installation</div><div class="gmail_extra">Lubuntu 13.04 installation</div><div class="gmail_extra">
and Lubuntu 13.10 installation</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">So, if you need/require the full output (to compare), let me know!</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="im"><div><div><span style="color:rgb(204,0,0)">Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."</span><br>Best Regards,<br></div><a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad" target="_blank">amjjawad</a><br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div>I'm running Lubuntu 13.04. Maybe you didn't get my reply quoting the answer from our friend vasa1:</div><div><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2013-October/005892.html">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2013-October/005892.html</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div><div>What he said makes sense:</div><div>$ apt-cache show lxpanel</div><div>Package: lxpanel</div><div>Priority: optional</div><div>Section: universe/x11</div><div>Installed-Size: 3279</div><div>
Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a>></div><div>Original-Maintainer: Debian LXDE Maintainers <<a href="mailto:lxde-debian@lists.lxde.org">lxde-debian@lists.lxde.org</a>></div>
<div>Architecture: i386</div><div>Version: 0.5.12-0ubuntu2</div><div>Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libc6 (>= 2.7), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.35.9), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libiw30 (>= 30~pre1), libmenu-cache2, libwnck22 (>= 1:2.22), libx11-6, lxmenu-data</div>
<div>Recommends: xterm | pavucontrol | gnome-alsamixer</div><div>Suggests: lxsession | menu, iceweasel | www-browser</div><div>Filename: pool/universe/l/lxpanel/lxpanel_0.5.12-0ubuntu2_i386.deb</div></div><div><br></div><div>
Note that lxpanel above is from pool/universe</div><div><br></div><div><div>Now the same command against esound-common: </div><div>~$ apt-cache show esound-common</div><div>Package: esound-common</div><div>Priority: optional</div>
<div>Section: sound</div><div>Installed-Size: 80</div><div>Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com</a>></div><div>Original-Maintainer: Josselin Mouette <<a href="mailto:joss@debian.org">joss@debian.org</a>></div>
<div>Architecture: all</div><div>Source: esound</div><div>Version: 0.2.41-10ubuntu1</div><div>Conflicts: libesd-alsa0</div><div>Filename: pool/main/e/esound/esound-common_0.2.41-10ubuntu1_all.deb</div><div>Size: 9412</div>
<div><br></div><div>Supported: 9m</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>So this package is from pool/main. </div><div><br></div><div>So from vasa1 and <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu</a>, I believe (not sure) that both main and restricted repositories are the ones supported by Canonical.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>My 2 cents.</div>
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