Hi,<div><br></div><div>whilst I know this will be of use to the issues you people are seeing, the dropping of adobe flash is not really a bad thing. HTML5 can do all it did and with lower resources. As to when HTML5 will be adopted?.... I would advise against holding your breath. On the flip side, as you-tube does actively support it, may be it is time for people to actually nag the other sites to death? complaining on here is preaching to the converted, email them! Only when they see enough people complain will they ever consider changing their own systems, and even after that it could take a while.... Still, the sooner started, sooner finished :D It is just the same issue faced with graphic cards manufacturers not releasing linux drivers.... in the last few years, things have gotten a bit better, but only because they realise they are missing out on a market.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Phill.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 August 2013 00:04, John Hupp <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lubuntu@prpcompany.com" target="_blank">lubuntu@prpcompany.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On 8/7/2013 4:26 PM, Aere Greenway
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 08/07/2013 01:28 PM, John Hupp wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">On 8/7/2013 3:11 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">On 08/07/2013 12:08 PM, John Hupp wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">There was this helpful bug report on
file at
<a href="http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1178982" target="_blank">http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1178982</a>.
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<br>
It described behavior on Dell PC's with integrated Intel
graphics, in which Adobe Flash Player would display only
with shades of purple and green in a horizontally compressed
window (or at least that's how I would describe what I see
on a Dell Dimension 2400).
<br>
<br>
The work-around (Comment #1) was to change the Xorg
acceleration method to UXA.
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<br>
But the bug was closed because the OP didn't have possession
of the machine anymore.
<br>
<br>
I have not been able to find an active refile of the bug.
Is there one? (I'd like to vote it up!)
<br>
<br>
--John
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John:
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I reported that it affects me, as well.
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Hi, Aere.
<br>
<br>
I did too -- in the above bug. But that bug is now closed and
presumably getting no attention from developers. Are you just
saying that you reported in the above bug that it affects you
too, or are you referring to a different bug report?
<br>
<br>
--John
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John:
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<br>
Sorry - I was just thinking that the bug was not getting attention
because of lack of impact on users.
<br>
<br>
Not being able to even watch YouTube videos on these machines (in
addition to the choppy color gradients), led me to conclude that
Linux is abandoning all of these machines because of their older
Intel graphics.
<br>
<br>
I have a newer machine (a Dell Inspiron 620) with Intel graphics
that works just fine. But all of my older Dell machines have the
problem.
<br>
<br>
So I said a few appropriate words (not appropriate to repeat
here), and looked into getting NVIDIA cards for the machines I
need to go forward into the future with.
<br>
<br>
Where it was the kernel developers abandoning these machines, it
seems I have no choice. What can Lubuntu do if the graphics of
all these machines has been dumped by the kernel developers (those
same developers who would not even consider a minor change for
supporting fake-PAE)?
<br>
<br>
Eventually, I will get the useful parts from these machines, and
discard them. I can still use them for testing my new software
(for the time being).
<br>
<br>
Who knows what machines they will condemn to the trash heap in the
next release...
<br>
<br>
I was sort of hoping against all odds that Ubuntu's new graphics
handler might support the graphics of these machines, but given
their track-record, the odds are definitely against it.
<br>
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For what it's worth, I have just found that the workaround detailed
in Comment #1 in the bug report (<a href="http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1178982" target="_blank">http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1178982</a>)
does work. On my system there was no existing /etc/X11/xorg.conf,
so I created it and added the specified lines as the sole content of
the file.<br>
<br>
The colors and the proper window size were restored. This Dell has
an Intel 845G chipset, so this workaround may fix this problem on
any motherboard with the same chipset (or even other Intel chipsets
that use the same Intel driver).<br>
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Verging strictly off-topic, but remaining with the question of
getting Flash to work decently well:<br>
<br>
On this former XP machine with a Celeron 2.4 GHz and 1 GB RAM,
YouTube videos in the default window size and playing at 360p seemed
to perform normally. Likewise, video from Hulu can be set to a
lower quality to help assure continuous play. But video from Vimeo
can only be set to HD-Off (if HD is available). And with video from
the broadcast network sites CBS.com, NBC.com and ABC.com, you can
only change screen size. So it seems that videos from Vimeo, CBS,
NBC and ABC offer very little accommodation for lower-spec setups.
And relatedly, I find that video that plays OK on a Windows PC with
a dual core Intel E2200 @ 2.20 GHz -- even with just 1.3 Mbps
download on my DSL service -- plays badly on the 2.4 GHz Celeron
using the same Internet connection. So in this case processing
power is more important than Internet connection speed.<br>
<br>
2.4 GHz is the minimum required spec for Flash (the last I knew),
but perhaps that merely means that you'll be able to play
*something* (like YouTube or Hulu videos at a lower-quality
setting), not that you'll be able to play everything.<br>
<br>
Does anyone know if there is a way to lower the quality settings for
sites like Vimeo, CBS, NBC and ABC, even if there is no
quality-setting tool in the player interface? (Or does anyone
differ with the assessment I offer above?)<br>
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