<div dir="ltr">Hey -you guys are GREAT !!<div><br></div><div>I put PLoP on diskette & the Saucy Salamander Daily Build .iso on USB and successfully booted off USB.</div><div><br></div><div>So I was able to boot from USB this time because PLoP uses <b>Force USB 1.1 </b>which ignores the EHCI controller?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Couldn't read any of the<b> Install</b> screens (garbled) but had wiped the HD with DBAN before hand so I just kept hitting enter (blew right thru the user/password screen). </div><div><br></div><div>
System was not very stable, in fact wouldn't shutdown or boot up.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>So I tried again & reached the first garbled screen - assume the <b>language</b> screen, I moved the cursor around & the desktop appeared with a shortcut to install Lubuntu.</div>
<div><br></div><div>This time all the <b>Install</b> screens were legible. Proceeded normally - eh Viola, we have Saucy sign.</div><div><br></div><div>Looks good, only 94MB RAM in use. Wireless yet to install.</div><div>
<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div>Like the psychedelic Lubuntu Logo :)</div></div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Nio Wiklund <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nio.wiklund@gmail.com" target="_blank">nio.wiklund@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yes, I think most of us prefer using CD/DVD/USB, but as stated<br>
<br>
"I suspect some old CD drives aren't really up to it. I know the one in<br>
this machine is somewhat erratic"<br>
<br>
In such cases (and the computer has USB but cannot boot directly from<br>
it) Plop and floppy can be the solution.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Nio<br>
<br>
On 2013-07-23 04:44, Andre Rodovalho wrote:<br>
> floppy? I prefer using CDs, Hirens Boots CD has PLOP Boot Manager:<br>
> <a href="http://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/" target="_blank">http://www.hirensbootcd.org/download/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> 2013/7/22 Richie Bloss <<a href="mailto:sneydblois@gmail.com">sneydblois@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sneydblois@gmail.com">sneydblois@gmail.com</a>>><br>
><br>
> Hi, currently on 12.04 & just discovered it's not LTS (like Ubuntu),<br>
> so might as well go with Saucy.<br>
><br>
> I just got the Bluetooth (Bluez) devices working, the laptop<br>
> entering sleep mode when closing lid & WiFi working. So why not<br>
> install 13.10 & do it all over again.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Last year I was unsuccessful installing 12.04 from CD, the install<br>
> froze each & every time. Remember trying several of the options:<br>
> acpi=off, noapic, etc. Do not remember everything I tried but really<br>
> had no idea what i was doing anyway - still don't :). Did create a<br>
> thread on the Ubuntu forums but can't get to it right now, forums down.<br>
><br>
> 11.10 installs just fine. I only have a CD drive & the machine does<br>
> not support boot from USB.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Here is an email, I saved, from the Lubuntu mailing list a while back:<br>
><br>
> ***************************************************************************<br>
> / We need to run Saucy installs on as much hardware as possible as I<br>
> > > believe there is more to this than just RAM size. I suspect some<br>
> > old CD<br>
> > > drives aren't really up to it. I know the one in this machine is<br>
> > > somewhat erratic.<br>
> ><br>
> > Therefore we need to recommend the usage of usb live sticks.<br>
> > CD-ROM/DVD-ROM<br>
> > drives tend to fail and also cd/dvd-writers tend to write cd-rs with<br>
> > to much<br>
> > errors.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Hello Leszek,<br>
> ><br>
> > You may forgot that some old machines don't really have USB Ports. If<br>
> > these have, the machine doesn't boot from that USB and not everyone<br>
> > knows about *PLOP*, and yes, we are talking about the new and beginners users.<br>
> ><br>
> > I do agree that LiveUSB makes a lot of difference indeed as far as I've<br>
> > seen for the last 2 years for so many tests I have personally done.<br>
> > However, the classic and the standard approach, IMHO, shall be the *LiveCD.*/<br>
> **<br>
> **<br>
> / the BIG change with Saucy is the recent inclusion of ZRam, it is for<br>
> > this reason we are re-testing "how low can it go" :)/<br>
> **************************************************************************<br>
><br>
><br>
> Plop sounds interesting. I do have a floppy drive that has barely<br>
> been used. Could I create a floppy disk image (plpbt.img?) & boot<br>
> from that? Do I have enough floppy's?<br>
><br>
> Before I begin thought perhaps I might post here & ask for<br>
> suggestions regarding the best way to get the 13.10 install going on<br>
> an old P3 that has only CD & will not boot from USB?<br>
><br>
> Some months back on the Lubuntu Facebook group someone (Phill I<br>
> think) suggested an alternate method for installing Lubuntu with a<br>
> feature at that time unsupported by Lubuntu. This was for machines<br>
> that had trouble with normal installs from LiveCD.<br>
><br>
> What about the Minimal Install even tho I see that's applies to PC's<br>
> with 1/4 the RAM? Would that make my PC even faster?<br>
><br>
><br>
> On another note:<br>
> Have been setting swappiness value to 10 which helps - not<br>
> completely sure how zRAM & swappiness differ. Low values of<br>
> swappiness avoid swapping memory to the swap partition as much as<br>
> possible whereas zRAM creates a compressed swap partition in RAM,<br>
> does that sound right?<br>
> zRAM appears to make the old P3 faster than swappiness.<br>
> Would there be further benefit setting swappiness down to 10 (or 0)<br>
> with zRAM installed?<br>
> Came across a confusing askubuntu thread thread suggesting:<br>
> /zRam is useful for people using computers with 1GB or 2GB RAM.<br>
> Since zRam is compressing data, it require some processor resources.<br>
> Not much, but always. For that reason i do not recommend to use it<br>
> with old processors/.<br>
> That seems contradictory to the stated objective for zRAM in 13.10.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Sorry if this is too many questions.<br>
><br>
> thanks<br>
><br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span style="background-color:rgb(246,250,251)"><font color="#0000ff">I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did. </font></span><br style="color:rgb(50,50,50);background-color:rgb(246,250,251)">
<span style="background-color:rgb(246,250,251)"><font color="#274e13">Yogi Berra</font></span></font><br></div>
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