<div dir="ltr">Hi, currently on 12.04 & just discovered it's not LTS (like Ubuntu), so might as well go with Saucy.<div><span><br></span></div><div><span>I just got the Bluetooth (Bluez) devices working, the laptop entering sleep mode when closing lid & WiFi working. So why not install 13.10 & do it all over again.</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div>Last year I was unsuccessful installing 12.04 from CD, the install froze each & every time. Remember trying several of the options: acpi=off, noapic<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:UbuntuRegular,Ubuntu,'Bitstream Vera Sans','DejaVu Sans',Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:16px">, etc. Do not remember everything I tried but really had no idea what i was doing anyway - still don't :). Did create a thread on the Ubuntu forums but can't get to it right now, forums down.</span><br>
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<div><span><br></span></div><div><span>11.10 installs just fine. I only have a CD drive & the machine does not support boot from USB.</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Here is an email, I saved, from the Lubuntu mailing list a while back:</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>***************************************************************************</div><div><i><span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';font-size:13.333333969116211px"> </span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">We need to run Saucy installs on as much hardware as possible as I</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> > believe there is more to this than just RAM size. I suspect some</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> old CD</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> > drives aren't really up to it. I know the one in this machine is</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> > somewhat erratic.</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">></span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> Therefore we need to recommend the usage of usb live sticks.</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> CD-ROM/DVD-ROM</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> drives tend to fail and also cd/dvd-writers tend to write cd-rs with</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> to much</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> errors.</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
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<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> Hello Leszek,</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">></span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> You may forgot that some old machines don't really have USB Ports. If</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> these have, the machine doesn't boot from that USB and not everyone</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> knows about <strong><font color="#008a17">PLOP</font></strong>, and yes, we are talking about the new and beginners users.</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">></span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> I do agree that LiveUSB makes a lot of difference indeed as far as I've</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> seen for the last 2 years for so many tests I have personally done.</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> However, the classic and the standard approach, IMHO, shall be the <strong><font color="#008a17">LiveCD.</font></strong></span></i><br style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><strong><font color="#008a17"></font></strong></span><span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';font-size:13.333333969116211px"> </span><br style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><strong><font color="#008a17"></font></strong></span><span style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';font-size:13.333333969116211px"> </span><br style="font-family:'Comic Sans MS';font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<i><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> the BIG change with Saucy is the recent inclusion of ZRam, it is for</span><br style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">> this reason we are re-testing "how low can it go" :)</span></i><br>
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</span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Plop sounds interesting. I do have a floppy drive that has barely been used. Could I create a floppy disk image (plpbt.img?) & boot from that? Do I have enough floppy's?</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Before I begin thought perhaps I might post here & ask for suggestions regarding the best way to get the 13.10 install going on an old P3 that has only CD & will not boot from USB?</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Some months back on the Lubuntu Facebook group someone (Phill I think) suggested an alternate method for installing Lubuntu with a feature at that time unsupported by Lubuntu. This was for machines that had trouble with normal installs from LiveCD.</font></div>
<div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">What about the Minimal Install even tho I see that's applies to PC's with 1/4 the RAM? Would that make my PC even faster?</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">On another note:</span></div>
<div><div>Have been setting swappiness value to 10 which helps - not completely sure how zRAM & swappiness differ. Low values of swappiness avoid swapping memory to the swap partition as much as possible whereas zRAM creates a compressed swap partition in RAM, does that sound right?</div>
<div>zRAM appears to make the old P3 faster than swappiness.</div><div>Would there be further benefit setting swappiness down to 10 (or 0) with zRAM installed?</div><div>Came across a confusing askubuntu thread thread suggesting:</div>
<div><font color="#38761d"><i>zRam is useful for people using computers with 1GB or 2GB RAM. Since zRam is compressing data, it require some processor resources. Not much, but always. For that reason i do not recommend to use it with old processors</i>.</font></div>
<div>That seems contradictory to the stated objective for zRAM in 13.10.</div></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Sorry if this is too many questions. <img src="cid:361@goomoji.gmail" goomoji="361" style="margin: 0px 0.2ex; vertical-align: middle;"></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">thanks</span></div><div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><font face="comic sans ms, sans-serif"><span style="background-color:rgb(246,250,251)"><font color="#0000ff">I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did. </font></span><br style="color:rgb(50,50,50);background-color:rgb(246,250,251)">
<span style="background-color:rgb(246,250,251)"><font color="#274e13">Yogi Berra </font></span></font><br></div>
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