Hi,<div><br></div><div>12.10 will receive backports. Yes, we are in the crazy world of 12.10 being supported for longer than 13.04. That is the 'ubuntu' view, and the lubuntu devs already do SRU. An SRU is a Stable Release Update. Please notice the small, but massive difference between 'UPDATE' and 'UPGRADE' as people do get the two confused.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Once a release is out, the ONLY alterations allowed are for fixing bugs and security updates. You are NOT allowed to add in new functionality, bring in new functions etc.</div><div><br></div><div>So, as lubuntu has changed so much since 12.10 was released, and fixes to bugs will be applied... you are running an old lubuntu. As one simple example, 12.10 will still be supported when 13.10 and even 14.04 LTS come out - by which time we will using FireFox as the default browser for a full release cycle.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It is for this reason that ubuntu technical board decided to make non LTS desktop releases 9 months only. Life in the tablet / mobile / phablet markets are moving so fast, that keeping up means people can either go for "desktop" release every 6 months with 9 months support (which gives them 3 months to upgrade for FREE), or, for the ones who do not want an singing, all dancing touch screen / TV tuner etc. They can take a deep breath and go.... "I want a stable OS that is supported". I saw the discussions flying backwards and forwards and also believe that our Technical Board made the correct decisions:</div>
<div><br></div><div>1: We will not go back on the promise of the support life of 12.10</div><div>2. We will set 9 months on desktop systems to allow developers more time to push the limits, less time spent on making SRU's.</div>
<div>3. We will retain the LTS system for desktops so that people can have stability and assurance. SRU's will be made faster, as there are less versions to support.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div>
<div>Phill.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 26 June 2013 20:26, Nio Wiklund <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nio.wiklund@gmail.com" target="_blank">nio.wiklund@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This is a good description (but more specs than story).<br>
<br>
I have one small detail: the lifetime is only 9 months of 13.04, I don't<br>
know about 13.10, while it is still 18 months for 12.10-<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Nio<br>
<br>
On 2013-06-26 20:53, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> *Part 1*<br>
<div class="im">> <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu</a><br>
><br>
> The objective of the Lubuntu project is to create a variant of Ubuntu<br>
> that is lighter, less resource hungry and more energy-efficient by using<br>
> lightweight applications and LXDE, The Lightweight X11 Desktop<br>
> Environment, as its default GUI.<br>
><br>
> Lubuntu is targeted at PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware<br>
> that, in most cases, just don't have enough resources for all the bells<br>
> and whistles of the "full-featured" mainstream distributions. Members of<br>
> the team take care of LXDE and other packages that are part of Lubuntu.<br>
> Lubuntu received official recognition as a formal member of the Ubuntu<br>
> family, commencing with Lubuntu 11.10.<br>
><br>
><br>
</div>> *Part 2*<br>
<div class="im">> <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System_Requirements</a><br>
><br>
> (Lubuntu 13.04)<br>
><br>
> We have done many tests and we've found out that Lubuntu can be<br>
> installed on a Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MB of RAM, but such<br>
> a system would not perform well enough for daily use.<br>
><br>
> With 256MB - 384MB of RAM, the performance will be better and the system<br>
> will be more usable.<br>
><br>
> With 512MB of RAM, you don't need to worry much.<br>
><br>
> The default "Desktop" installer requires 384-800 MB of RAM (depending on<br>
> selected options.) If you have problems, please use the "Alternate"<br>
> installer.<br>
><br>
</div>> *Part 3*<br>
<div class="im">> <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Lubuntu_VS_Ubuntu" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Lubuntu_VS_Ubuntu</a><br>
><br>
> Both Lubuntu and Ubuntu share Two Major Important Things:<br>
><br>
> Same Core System<br>
> Same Repositories<br>
><br>
> Lubuntu and Ubuntu belong to the same family and talking about each as<br>
> totally different two systems is not correct since they have some things<br>
> in common. Thus, we use the same Forum Area and share many Wiki Pages.<br>
><br>
> The differences between Lubuntu and Ubuntu are:<br>
><br>
> Different DE - Lubuntu uses LXDE while Ubuntu uses Unity as the default DE.<br>
><br>
> Different Default Applications<br>
><br>
> Lubuntu 12.04 is not an LTS (5 years support), but a standard release<br>
> that is supported for 18 months (if you would like to change this please<br>
> feel free to contact the developers to offer assistance in this area).<br>
<br>
</div>It is only 9 months now.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Other than that, they are the same. The DE is what makes Lubuntu a<br>
> lightweight OS, and of course the selected applications too because we<br>
> make sure to use the lightest applications which are not resource hungry.<br>
><br>
</div>> *End of Story*<br>
<div class="im">><br>
> What is the point of the above?<br>
><br>
</div>> 1. If you disagree about any of the above points, please speak up :)<br>
> 2. Having all the above said, please understand that Lubuntu is mainly<br>
<div class="im">> for Old Machines[1] but can also be installed on New Ones.<br>
</div>> 3. Having all the above said, please understand that Lubuntu can not be<br>
<div class="im">> installed on ALL kind of machines and hardware. There are limits.<br>
</div>> 4. Lubuntu Graphical Installer (Lubuntu Desktop ISO), as per our so<br>
<div class="im">> many tests previously and recently, can not go under 256MB of RAM.<br>
</div>> 5. In order to install Lubuntu on machine with less than 256MB of RAM,<br>
<div class="im">> please understand you need to go for either Lubuntu Alternate ISO or<br>
> Ubuntu Mini ISO.<br>
</div>> 6. Please understand Lubuntu can be installed (case to case - rarely)<br>
<div class="im">> on a machine with 64MB of RAM [2] and please understand, that system<br>
> will not be usable at all.<br>
</div>> 7. If you are looking for the 'Minimum Prefect System Requirement' for<br>
<div class="im">> Lubuntu, 512MB RAM is what you need to consider. With 512MB RAM, you<br>
> can run almost anything and everything with less headache.<br>
</div>> 8. If you have 256MB RAM - 512MB RAM, you can use your system but don't<br>
<div class="im">> expect a fast lightening system.<br>
</div>> 9. Please, do not evaluate Lubuntu System Requirement based on booting<br>
<div class="im">> up the machine, logging to the desktop and leave the system idle and<br>
> watch Conky, System Monitor, htop, top, or whatever tool you will<br>
> use to check how much RAM the system is currently using. Lubuntu is<br>
> an Operating System that will be used to perform certain tasks like:<br>
> Browsing, Music, Videos, etc. So, judging Lubuntu from what RAM it<br>
> will use while it is idle and does absolutely nothing, this is not<br>
> correct at all.<br>
</div>> 10. Please understand, each Hardware may work differently with Lubuntu.<br>
<div class="im">> IDE HDD is slower than SATA and SATA is slower than SDD. RAM has<br>
> different speed. CPUs. Graphics Card. If Lubuntu will be installed<br>
> on most of the hardware/machines, it may not on others.<br>
</div>> 11. No system is prefect, hence Lubuntu is not prefect.<br>
> 12. Lubuntu is a Linux System and Linux is not Windows.<br>
> 13. Lubuntu Team is active, powerful, etc but please understand we have<br>
<div class="im">> very few developers and they do have Real Life and so much to deal<br>
> with. Above all, each and every member of Lubuntu are doing what<br>
> they are doing on volunteer basis. No one is getting paid. Lubuntu<br>
> does not pay anyone's bill. We do love Lubuntu and therefore, we<br>
> contribute to it.<br>
</div>> 14. One of the best features a Lubuntu User has is: Try Lubuntu Without<br>
> Installation - <a href="http://i43.tinypic.com/e18c3d.jpg" target="_blank">http://i43.tinypic.com/e18c3d.jpg</a><br>
> 15. Please understand Lubuntu Desktop ISO is for New Users to<br>
<div class="im">> Linux/Lubuntu AND those with machines capable of running a graphical<br>
> installer.<br>
</div>> 16. Please understand that Lubuntu Alternate ISO is used when you have<br>
<div class="im">> some problems with Graphics Card. New Linux/Lubuntu Users need a bit<br>
> of guidance for such kind of installation. Alternate ISO uses Debian<br>
> Installer. Also, if you have less than 256MB-512MB RAM, the<br>
> Alternate ISO is the way to go.<br>
</div>> 17. Please understand there is a 3rd type of ISO and approach that you<br>
<div class="im">> can use to install Lubuntu which is Ubuntu mini ISO<br>
> - <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD" target="_blank">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD</a> -- you<br>
> need to understand this is not for New Linux/Lubuntu Users unless<br>
> someone will take the time to explain in details to them<br>
> - <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall" target="_blank">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall</a><br>
</div>> 18. Having all the above said, if you don't like these basics facts of<br>
<div class="im">> Lubuntu, then probably Lubuntu is not the best choice for you.<br>
</div>> 19. You need to understand that Lubuntu Team cares a lot about users'<br>
<div class="im">> feedback but you also need to understand that Lubuntu's Philosophy<br>
> will have the highest priority. Having that said, we usually take<br>
> lots of notes and apply them to our system if and only if these<br>
> notes/feedback will improve the system - just like what happened<br>
> recently by adding zRAM to Lubuntu 13.10 development cycle. However,<br>
> we can't for example, add LibreOffice.<br>
</div>> 20. Last but not least, Lubuntu is a Community System above any other<br>
<div class="im">> consideration. It is build by the collaboration of each and every<br>
> member of the team. Developers, Testers, Wiki Editors, Advocates ,<br>
> etc. All of them work so hard to, on volunteer basis, to give us<br>
> such system. "All of us are smarter than any one of us!". Please,<br>
> make sure to respect that. It is totally fine to disagree with<br>
> anyone but please, don't disrespect.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thank you!<br>
><br>
> P.S.<br>
> I don't know about you but for me, I would use this as an introduction<br>
> tool for new comers :)<br>
><br>
><br>
> [1] - YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary) when it comes to define the limits<br>
> and bounders of Old Machine. There is no precious specific text that can<br>
> define that. The system itself has no precious specific hardware<br>
> requirement. Case to case. You can always TRY Lubuntu without<br>
> Installation :) this is the best feature which will tell you where to go<br>
> and what to do.<br>
><br>
> [2]<br>
> - <a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614&page=16&p=11832431#post11832431" target="_blank">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614&page=16&p=11832431#post11832431</a><br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
> "All of us are smarter than any one of us."<br>
><br>
</div>> *Best Regards,*<br>
> *amjjawad <<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/</a>>*<br>
> *Start Ubuntu<br>
> <<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu</a>>*<br>
> *My Own Business <<a href="http://alilinx.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://alilinx.blogspot.com/</a>>*<br>
><br>
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