<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Jonathan Marsden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jmarsden@fastmail.fm" target="_blank">jmarsden@fastmail.fm</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On 06/18/2013 05:59 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:<br>
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>>>> I'd much prefer a test using the default install type. ...<br>
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>>> With all due respect, this will make no difference whatsoever,<br>
>>> IMHO. What this has to do with RAM Usage and zRAM and stuff like<br>
>>> that?<br>
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>> It is possible that one path through the installer sets up the<br>
>> manually created swap partition sooner, or differently, than the<br>
>> path that automatically partitions the whole disk.<br>
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> IMHO, we need an expert who can tell us that :D<br>
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</div>Or maybe a tester willing to read the code before stating "this will<br>
make no difference whatsoever" -- as you did earlier! You have a B.Sc.<br>
in Computer Science (just like me -- well, officially mine is B.Sc. in<br>
Computing and Information Systems), so you are clearly capable of<br>
reading that code if you really wanted to. Just as I am.<br>
<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>Apparently, we are talking apples and oranges here so let's not carry on with such kind of discussion. I got what you really want and I have done that test 2 days ago but was so tired to send the email and I took an off day yesterday which I was badly needed. I will send the report and the result you were asking ;)</div>
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> IMHO, testing will never prove or show us that.<br>
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</div>Sure it could. If one code path delays use of swap, and so ends up<br>
using (say) 32MB more RAM than the other, then you could find that a<br>
256MB machine would install fine on one code path, and run out of RAM on<br>
the other. No expert needed.<br>
<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>By saying "code", I think you mean installation type, correct? </div><div style>Anyway, never mind :)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">
> I understand what you are saying, but for someone sitting and<br>
> watching what is happening on a monitor, won't notice or can tell<br>
> what is going on deep inside.<br>
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</div>You won't notice the difference between a successful install and a<br>
failed one? I *hope* you would :)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>I did not say that, you got it totally wrong. But yet again, let's drop this, please :)</div><div style>If I can't tell/notice the difference, why then I've been testing Lubuntu for two years now? :)</div>
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<div class="im">>> Second, if you are sure "it makes no difference whatsoever", why<br>
>> would you choose the manual partitioning way -- it needs more time<br>
>> and more mouse clicks, for what you say is "no difference<br>
>> whatsoever"?!<br>
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> Because, I have two HDD (please check the report)<br>
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</div>I know... I didn't make a fuss about that, but testing with only one<br>
connected to the system would be a more common test configuration.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>I know. I was lazy to open the case and disconnected my HDD because I was doing that test very late at night and I was so tired. But never mind, I re-did the test with only one HDD - will send the report soon - and I even changed the jumper and made it a Master as it was Slave.</div>
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> ... and I have Data on the first HDD (BUT NO SWAP Partition) and I<br>
<div class="im">> just did the manual approach and to be honest, as I said, 4 tests<br>
> were done via "Automatic" approach so, thought some kind of a change.<br>
> But, tell you the truth? I knew it you would disagree :D I was right<br>
> :D but yet again, because I have two HDD, I just wanted to do the<br>
> manual way.<br>
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</div>I want a documented and repeatable set of tests, that test what we are<br>
trying to test. No more, no less.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>Now, with my two reports I have sent, are you saying these steps are not documented nor repeatable? </div><div style>Trust me, I got your point :D</div><div style><br></div><div style>
"I want a documented and repeatable set of tests, that test what we are</div>trying to test. No more, no less." < Done ;)<div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
What are we testing for? To determine RAM usage requirements of the<br>
default Lubuntu install from an Lubuntu 13.10 desktop i386 image, used<br>
by a novice user coming from Windows XP on a normal older PC machine.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>Understood :)</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Why documented and repeatable?<br>
<br>
So that anyone reading your report can do the exact same test on their<br>
hardware, and get the same results. That's what testing is all about if<br>
you want it to be useful. That's why scientists need to document methdo<br>
as well as results, and why duplicating the results of an experiment<br>
someone else did is often considered very useful science!<br>
<br>
In the computing world, bug reports need "steps to reproduce", and tests<br>
need to be documented in sufficient depth that others can repeat the test.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>Understood.</div><div style>I made sure to be as simple as possible, as detailed as possible and as repeatable as possible.</div><div style>Unless you think my reports are less helpful/useless, that is something else :)</div>
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If you want to do whatever tests make you happy, with whatever<br>
variations you feel like at the time, well, that's up to you... but it's<br>
less helpful to the one single goal we are trying to reach regarding<br>
testing RAM usage requirements of the default Lubuntu install from a<br>
desktop i386 image, for someone coming from Windows XP on a normal older<br>
PC machine.</blockquote><div><br></div><div style>Understood.</div><div style>Definitely, we are working in a team and we should show some team work spirit. We must set our goals and work to achieve them. Personal Tests are outside this topic :)</div>
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>> Don't lose sleep doing Lubuntu testing :)<br>
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> How can I sleep and you are asking me for more tests? :P :P :P hehe<br>
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</div>No, I'm *not* asking you for more tests. I'm just saying that the one<br>
you did is probably a little less useful and less repeatable than the<br>
test that I *thought* you were going to do. As far as I know, I did<br>
*not* ask you to do the test again. I really was suggesting that you<br>
don't replace sleep with Lubuntu testing!</blockquote><div><br></div><div style>I know, that was a joke so no worries :)</div><div style>We are not getting paid for that, we do this because we love Lubuntu.</div><div style>
<br></div><div style>But I'm just wondering how is that my reports/tests are less repeatable? if that because of 'Something Else' Installation Option, then pointed noted and understood. If that is because something else, please tell me :)</div>
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> Anyway, no promises here but if I get a chance, I will do it, just<br>
> for you despite the fact I'm not convinced at all.<br>
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</div>Thanks (remember, you are volunteering this, I am not asking!). It<br>
probably will make no difference to the result. But IMO it will be a<br>
much stronger, more useful result.<br>
<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br>
Jonathan<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br>The new report will be sent shortly :)<br clear="all"><div style>I finished the test 2 days ago as I mentioned but couldn't send it.</div><div style><br></div><div style><br></div>
<div style>Thank you so much!</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div><p style="margin:0px 0px 1em;font-family:'Ubuntu Beta',UbuntuBeta,Ubuntu,'Bitstream Vera Sans','DejaVu Sans',Tahoma,sans-serif;line-height:19px">
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