<div dir="ltr">not to take focus away from lubuntu here, but jonathan and fernado, could you both try all of the flavours and try and find bugs in the accessablity stuff?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Jonathan Nadeau <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:j.nadeau@charter.net" target="_blank">j.nadeau@charter.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I third Fernando's suggestion for
accessibility both he and I are blind GNU/Linux users and would
love to see Lubuntu accessible. I've done a lot of work with it
and have most of it accessible. The only problem I have right now
is making the panel accessible to the Orca screen reader. There
aren't a lot of changes that need to be made to get it as
accessible as I have it now. I would like to put off the Razor QT
desktop for a while. I have tested it and it is some what
accessible but needs a lot of work. I think in the next year it
can improve greatly. At some point if anyone wants to know what i
did to get lubuntu accessible let me know and we can talk. Thanks
for all of your hard work on this project.<br>
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On 04/25/2013 08:49 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:<br>
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Hi Boss,
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<div>we did discuss, and finally went with a new desktop system
once before. Provided, as then, we have a Plan 'B' (which we
used), I'm sure none of the testers will have issues. (Well,
they can scream at me! )</div>
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<div>As one of the comments here has said. You fully know that one
of my goals is for lubuntu to have full accessibility 'out of
the box'. People needing accessibility are so often forgotten,
or needing specifications of machines far beyond their budgets. </div>
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<div>The 'older, older' computers may not be around in 2017 if we
do make an LTS 14.04 which still supports them, let's ensure
that these people know that they will not be abandoned.</div>
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<div>Documentation on the CD... A whole new can of worms... how
much room is spare on the CD and how many languages can we have
it translated into? It is obviously possible and I look forward
to discussing that further.</div>
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<div>But?..... Go For It !!!!</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
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<div>Phill.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 26 April 2013 00:52, Julien Lavergne
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gilir@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">gilir@ubuntu.com</a>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote">Hi,<br>
<br>
First and following Phill, I want to thank you all for this
13.04<br>
release. Releases after releases, it seems to go smoother
than the<br>
last one :-)<br>
<br>
However, it's time to think about the future. During the
last cycle,<br>
there were a lot of news from Canonical about the future of
Ubuntu.<br>
Lubuntu is part of the family, so every big changes in
Ubuntu affect<br>
Lubuntu. However, and I want to make it clear for anyone :
Lubuntu is<br>
a community project, with its own release schedules, its own
choices …<br>
<br>
That's said, let's go with some ideas :-) What I'm going to
say, it's<br>
a very long proposal, open for discussions. But discussions
mean<br>
arguments if you have another opinion ;-)<br>
<br>
Next steps are 13.10, and 14.04 which should be a LTS
version for<br>
Ubuntu. Last LTS (12.04), I considered that we were not
ready for such<br>
commitment. I was also unsure of the work needed to make a
good LTS.<br>
With more experience, I have now a better vision of this
goal.<br>
<br>
So, let's make it simple, I would like Lubuntu 14.04 to be a
LTS version.<br>
<br>
But claiming we want a LTS its' not enough. First, we need
to make it<br>
stable enough, so we can safely claim it's a LTS, because
people who<br>
install a LTS want a stable system. But, I also would like
to make it<br>
sexy enough to be proud of it, to make people happy to
recommend it. I<br>
would like to make it THE release of Lubuntu, the reference
of all<br>
Lubuntu releases. To achieve it, I have several goals in
mind, items<br>
that I consider we need to finish for the LTS, and I think
we can<br>
finish them :<br>
<br>
- Finish lxsession, to make the system fully customizable
and able to<br>
run minimal set of applications by default (I'll talk about
it later,<br>
when you will be able to test it properly).<br>
- Fully translatable : it's vital to make it available in a
maximum of languages<br>
- Artwork : finish the icon theme for a GTK environment,
finish the<br>
other pieces of the artwork and its integration, to make
Lubuntu even<br>
more beautiful<br>
<br>
Another item I would like to add, but I'm not sure we will
be able to<br>
make it, it's an off-line documentation, or a nice manual.<br>
<br>
Of course, we need also the usual bug fixes and small
improvements<br>
everywhere, but the main focus should be on those topics.<br>
<br>
Also, soon we will need to decide which applications we want
in this<br>
LTS. We should do it in an other discussion, but it's the
right time<br>
to do big changes if we consider they are good.<br>
<br>
Considering all the big changes which may happen for 13.10,
I'm also<br>
thinking of the possibility to not do a proper 13.10
release,<br>
depending of the state of 13.10 after all the big structural
changes,<br>
and near feature freeze. Again, it can be reconsidered in
due time,<br>
but we may keep this in mind. I'm prepared to drop 1 release
if we can<br>
do a very good 14.04 LTS.<br>
<br>
And after 14.04 ?<br>
<br>
Well, you probably know that Canonical is pushing for a Qt
switch over<br>
GTK, but also by changing it's display manager (MIR). You
may know<br>
also that LXDE is thinking about switching to Qt too, by
joining<br>
forces with Razor-qt desktop environment. All those changes
may be an<br>
opportunity to start another adventure, using Razor-qt as a
base. It's<br>
also a reason to release 14.04 as a LTS, because it could be
the final<br>
release with LXDE and GTK. We will also be free to make
very big<br>
changes for 14.10, because we know we have a LTS behind to
recommend,<br>
for a long time.<br>
<br>
To prepare this, I'll also work on a specific session (call
QLubuntu,<br>
pronounce it “Cute Lubuntu” ;-)), to test during 13.10 and
14.04, if<br>
the option to go with Qt is possible.<br>
<br>
So, what do you think about it ? :-)<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Julien Lavergne<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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