<div dir="ltr">oh, okay sorry. I had an issue with 12.10 and assumed since I had used 11.10 just fine, this had been going on since 12.04, thanks for the correction!</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amjjawad@gmail.com" target="_blank">amjjawad@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">And I had to go back to my archive on Gmail to find more about it:<div><br></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div>
<b><font color="#ff0000">On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:33 PM</font></b>, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amjjawad@gmail.com" target="_blank">amjjawad@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">For the ones like me who are not cryptologists, PAE : Physical Address Extension.<br>
See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<u></u>Physical_Address_Extension</a> a good definition.<br>But<b> I'd like to know why it's important (if at all) and how it relates to Lubuntu.</b></blockquote>
<br></div>We had that discussion before but I can tell you are new to our mailing list so allow me to explain briefly about that :)<div><br></div><div>Some old machines has <b>NON-PAE CPU</b>. If you have a Linux Distribution with a <b>PAE Kernel</b>, then that system will not be bootable on a machine with NON-PAE CPU.</div>
<div><br></div><div>During the development of 12.04, both Xubuntu and Lubuntu teams decided to go for a NON-PAE Kernel (Generic Kernel - run "uname -r" in the terminal) so those users with NON-PAE CPU will not have any problem and they still can use Lubuntu and Xubuntu 12.04.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Ubuntu Kernel Team has decided to drop the NON-PAE Kernel and go for PAE Kernel.</div><div>As per Julien, we can't go against that unless we hire a developer who can make it possible.</div><div>We don't have any database/numbers of how many users over there with a NON-PAE CPU, that is why I asked :)</div>
<div><br></div></div></blockquote><div>Hope it helps :) </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Above is an old discussion about PAE and NON-PAE Kernels :)</div><div class="gmail_extra">We managed to go NON-PAE for 12.04 but we couldn't for 12.10 :)</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Hope everything is clear now ;)</div><div class="gmail_extra">Anyone can go back to the mailing list archive if desired :)</div><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amjjawad@gmail.com" target="_blank">amjjawad@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Hi there David :)<div><br></div><div>I would strongly recommend to have a read here: <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#System_Requirements" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu#System_Requirements</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>and I'm sure you may want to re-phrase what you previously said :)</div><div><br></div><div>Lubuntu 12.04 is using a NON-PAE Kernel. Well, the link says it all :)</div><div>
<br></div><div>Thanks!</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:59 AM, David Gumberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:davidnoizgumberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">davidnoizgumberg@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">For those of you who are wondering, the reason older machines can't run 12.10 or 12.04, it's because the kernel uses PAE (it's a method to have more than 4 gigs of ram on a 32-bit operating system I think), and for those of you who have hardware that doesn't support PAE, the two good alternatives are LXLE and Fedora (LXDE spin). If you want something more upstream, go with the Fedora, but if for some reason you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO have that Debian/buntu experience I'd go with LXLE (Lubuntu Extra-Life Edition), it's Lubuntu 12.04 with a couple of tweaks, and it uses a non-PAE kernel. I've tried and used both of them, and and Fedora is a bit more vanilla LXDE so I prefer it, but both alternatives are awesome!</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amjjawad@gmail.com" target="_blank">amjjawad@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I've been discussing this issue and Lubuntu 12.04 being 100% LTS or not [1] and all the confusion about "will Lubuntu still support my very old machine or not?" for the last two weeks or maybe more.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Long story short, I will jump in and find out myself some if not all the answers that our users are seeking and looking for.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/lucid/" target="_blank">http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/lucid/</a></div>
<div>I'm downloading Lubuntu 10.04 right now from the above link.</div><div><br></div><div>I will install it once done on my test machine.</div><div>I need to see myself what is going on and the EOL for the 10.04 Desktop version is coming soon, less than a month. That will be really interesting :) </div>
<div>As you know/may know, each release has different Kernel [2]. Some machines can't use 12.04 or 12.10 because the support had been dropped/stopped. So, if you guys have Qs about that, you do now know who is doing the test and experiments.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thank you! <br></div><div><br></div><div>[1] - <a href="http://i46.tinypic.com/i24igz.jpg" target="_blank">http://i46.tinypic.com/i24igz.jpg</a></div><div><br></div><div>[2] - <a href="http://amjjawad.blogspot.ae/2013/04/lubuntu-and-very-old-machines.html" target="_blank">http://amjjawad.blogspot.com/2013/04/lubuntu-and-very-old-machines.html</a></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Phill Whiteside <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:PhillW@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">PhillW@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I have an update for 10.04<div><br></div><div><b><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Ending Ubuntu Desktop support just means that we no longer release desktop-</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">related updates, the repository won't (can't) go away and be archived, since</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">server, as you note, still depends on it. In that sense, lucid in general</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">is "supported" for another three years. Nothing changes for people, they</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">just won't get non-server SRUs and security updates from Canonical, nor is</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">there a community commitment to make them.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">So, your users don't need to do anything. Kernels will keep getting updated,</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">and life goes on.</span></b><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Regards,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Phill.</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><br>
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On 29 March 2013 21:21, Phill Whiteside <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:PhillW@ubuntu.com" target="_blank">PhillW@ubuntu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Folks,</div><div><br></div><div>just so everyone knows. The up coming EOL dates were a little bit staggered on the exact dates. To bring everything together, the Release Team have decided upon the following.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The following releases will all reach End Of Life on May 9th 2013.</div><div><br></div><div>Hardy 8.04 (Server)</div><div>Ubuntu 10.04 (Desk Top)</div><div>Ubuntu 11.10</div><div><br></div><div>As 10.04 is supported on server until 2015 thus giving such people at least a chance of still receiving kernel updates, I have asked if there is a way for the 10.04 lubuntu desktop to continue to receive the kernel updates for lubuntu 10.04 desktop for those of whom the dropping of the old chip sets is the only option they have.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The area at <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases</a> has been updated by the team to reflect the revised dates.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br>
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