<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style='font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;'>Hi,<div><br></div><div><b><a href='mailto:rafaellaguna@gmail.com' target='_blank'>rafaellaguna@gmail.com</a> wrote: </b>"By alussions. "Less is more" is a great phrase used by Mies van der Rohe, but used out of context, by non-designers, means nothing. Sorry for being so radical in these terms, but in the real world doing the design practice, LESS IS LESS, just it. I have no time or desire to explain this (it's a really extended worldwide topic used by art & design prophans)." </div><div><br></div><div><b>Reply: </b>The disc pictograms are not functional and making the page more top - bottom will read easier for beginners I think.</div><div><br><div id="1"><span style="background-color: rgb(250, 250, 250); "><b>paul sutton wrote: </b></span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">"I agree plus can you add some instructions as to how to use the md5sums </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">to check the cd, if all the info is in one place then that is a good </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">thing, even if you also provide links to more detailed explanations as </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">to what the md5sums are for etc "</span></div><div id="1"><font face="Verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 11px;"><br></span></font></div><div id="1"><font face="Verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 11px;"><br></span></font></div><div id="1"><b>Reply: </b>If the checksums get added on my proposition page, are you allright with that?</div><div id="1"><br></div><div id="1"><b><a href='mailto:rafaellaguna@gmail.com' target='_blank'>rafaellaguna@gmail.com</a> wrote: "</b><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">The reason to keep the page simple (not minimal, we're not doing a BlackBox fiesta or a CrunchBang Linux page) with the pictograms is because we're a flavour of Ubuntu, and it's better to keep the same artwork guidelines. I'm really unsatisfied with the result of the page (I'm sorry for being so honest). I know the people who uploaded it made their best, but </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">such product like a webpage, a very delicate marketing element, need a designer for being created."</span></div><div id="1"><br></div><div id="1"><b>Reply: </b>Why you don't like the page I suggested? </div><div id="1"><br></div><div id="1">And the complete mail from <b>Karl</b>:</div><div id="1"><br></div><div id="1"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Hello Smile4ever. I'm the official Lubuntu wiki editor. </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Your page shows that you have talent, and I appreciate your effort. </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">But, I'm going to use the page I linked earlier. </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">There's only one major problem with your page. That is, important </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">things need to be at the top. For example, the installer locks up on </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">low RAM pc's. Also when users don't check their CD, they get "error </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">5" like this guy did yesterday: </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1997993" target="_blank" style="outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; outline-color: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1997993</a><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">One difference between your page and mine, is that your page has good </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">descriptions of each item of interest. For example, my page doesn't </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">describe "LiveCDs" </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">I'm interested in why you think we need good descriptions. Isn't it </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">easier to get someone to start using twitter, than to explain to </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">her/him what it does exactly? </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Thanks, </span><br style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">kanliot </span></div><div id="1"><font face="Verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 11px;"><br></span></font></div><div id="1"><b>Reply: </b>Hi! Thanks for saying that. Well we should integrate both pages. What do you suggest for making everyone (or most people) happy? I don't like the download options like you've implemented them.</div><div id="1"><br></div><div id="1">I find it important to inform people about Linux and especially Lubuntu, because no easy information is easily found by newbies. You could also let them do, but they will have a need to proper information. So I strongly suggest merging your and my pages, because we have both important info & design concepts.</div><div id="1"><br></div><div id="1">Kind regards to all people,</div><div id="1"><br></div><div id="1">Smile4ever</div><div id="1"><font face="Verdana, arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 11px;"><br></span></font>---- Aan Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:14:07 +0200 <b>紳癒礁湖 <<a href='mailto:rafaellaguna@gmail.com' target='_blank'>rafaellaguna@gmail.com</a>></b> schreef ---- <br></div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid #0000FF; padding-left: 6px;"> <div> By alussions. "Less is more" is a great phrase used by Mies van der Rohe, but used out of context, by non-designers, means nothing. Sorry for being so radical in these terms, but in the real world doing the design practice, LESS IS LESS, just it. I have no time or desire to explain this (it's a really extended worldwide topic used by art & design prophans).<br> <br> The reason to keep the page simple (not minimal, we're not doing a BlackBox fiesta or a CrunchBang Linux page) with the pictograms is because we're a flavour of Ubuntu, and it's better to keep the same artwork guidelines. I'm really unsatisfied with the result of the page (I'm sorry for being so honest). I know the people who uploaded it made their best, but <br> such product like a webpage, a very delicate marketing element, need a designer for being created.<br> <br> So I think it's time to talk about it within the members room. It's nice to have users opinions, but some things can't be left to everybody's intervention, it will become a chaos. Sure you understand it. We have a phrase in Spain, "zapatero a tus zapatos" (shoemaker do your shoes). Is that the reason for doing Launchpad teams?<br> <br> <br> El dj 07 de 06 de 2012 a les 20:34 -0600, en/na kelly va escriure: <blockquote type="CITE"> <pre> On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 08:01:29 +0200 Geoffrey <<a href="mailto:computergeoffrey@zoho.com" target="_blank">computergeoffrey@zoho.com</a>> wrote: > Please keep the icons. I would like to see something between your > proposition and the current page. Make the explanation of the items > shorter & remove the disc icon. The intro text should also be a > lot better. If you have small explanation at the iso's, you don't > need additional info for the low memory systems. > > Version remove is good. Show only current & link to LTS version > (if the current(12.04) becomes LTS & 12.10 comes out) > > Smile4ever > > ---- Aan Thu, 07 Jun 2012 07:44:41 +0200 Karl > Anliot<<a href="mailto:kanliot@gmail.com" target="_blank">kanliot@gmail.com</a>> schreef ---- > > > I really don't like the length of the current download page. So I > made it much shorter. I think it's just as usable as the current > page. > Any objections before I replace the current GetLubuntu page? > > here's what I'm planning: > <a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu_testkarl" target="_blank">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu_testkarl</a> > Hiya, I completely disagree about the blasted graphics. Dump the damn things and good riddance says I. Less is more. 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