<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/4.2.2"> </HEAD> <BODY> I have a problem with the index / header. It would be nice to start directly with the "welcome..." table. We could add, under the first paragraph, this: "Also, you can <contact> us or read the <documentation> online." El dt 05 de 06 de 2012 a les 16:15 +0100, en/na Phill Whiteside va escriure: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Renamed. </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Regards, </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Phill. </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> On 5 June 2012 15:07, Mark Ballard <<A HREF="mailto:markjballard@googlemail.com">markjballard@googlemail.com</A>> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> Not bad. I think it could be simplified by using less stuffing and more bullets. You can get rid of language like "choose this to take full advantage of...". It gives the impression that someone is trying to make an effort to couch this technospeak in terms that are easy to understand. But it doesn't actually add anything. It seems like redundant language. It is therefore clutter and hinders comprehension. But I can see what you are trying to say. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> So e.g. from: </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> Choose this to take full advantage of computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon, Core 2). If you have a non-64-bit processor made by AMD, or if you need full support for 32-bit code, use the Intel x86 images instead. To: </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> Download version _y1_ </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> For 64-bit computers </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> Includes guided install routine </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> For computers with: Intel processors -> Pentium 4, Xeon, Core 2, (...) </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> AMD processors -> Athlon64, Opteron (...) </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> Additional information: This is the 64bit version of Lubuntu. It is designed </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> to run on computers built using AMD64 or Intel EMT </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> technology. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> 64-bit computers will also run the regular, 32-bit </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> version of Lubuntu. But they will run more efficiently </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> with this, 64-bit version. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> Do not install this version if you have a 32-bit </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> computer: see <Download version _x1_> instead. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> Read more about deciding between </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> the 64-bit and 32-bit version: <_> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> Support: This is the long-term support version of Lubuntu </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> It will be supported until _. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> It is advised after that time that you upgrade Lubuntu. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> Requirements: RAM -> _Mb </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> Hard disk -> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> Additional requirements </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> to run guided install: RAM -> _Mb </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> If your computer does not meet the requirements </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> of the guided install, see <Alternate Install> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> .. and so on. (...) Specify every processor family on which this version will run. "Such as" must be forbidden: it ostracises all those not in the 'such as' category. Be encyclopaedic. Provide whatever other information may be necessary. Provide all the crucial details without grammatical clutter. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> The stuff about all the different versions can be rewritten into a functional style and put on another page. E.g. "Install an older version of Lubuntu <_>." </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> On 5 June 2012 14:16, 紳癒礁湖 <<A HREF="mailto:rafaellaguna@gmail.com">rafaellaguna@gmail.com</A>> wrote: </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> Ok, doing some experiment. I edited a sub-page and put there our beloved pictos (from Canoncial Design, I'm fuuuul standard compliant). The content is the same, but I think it's a bit clear: <A HREF="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu/download">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu/download</A> If you approve this it could be moved "one folder up" and set it as GetLubuntu default. Do you like it? El dl 04 de 06 de 2012 a les 13:24 +0100, en/na Mark Ballard va escriure: </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> I would like to give some feedback on a user's experience trying to download and install Lubuntu, if I may. It's hard to find the download page. Clicking on "Get Ubuntu" takes you to the help page. Then you have to rummage around on the site to find somewhere to actually download the version you need. When you do select to download, it gives you v12.04. Even after rummaging around not possible to see any other versions to download. The help page talks about other versions. It's information implies that 11.10 is the long-term release. But there appears to be nowhere to download the long-term release. The importance of short-term releases became apparent to users recently when, for example, they got shipwrecked with the short term release of Ubuntu before the Unity overhaul. Had they stuck with the long term release prior to that, they would not now be shipwrecked. Yes I am speaking from experience. But what's the point of having a long-term release if you don't make it clear to users that this is the most advisable version to download and then point them to it? The checksum info page contains info only about 11.10 checksums. But the site downloads 12.04. The checksum and torrent additions to the download process have really snarled things up for idiot users - sorry, you can't say that, can you? It's snarled things up for 'dummies'. No, you can't say that either, can you? Just because you are not an experienced command-line user, administrator or nerd hobbyist, that doesn't make you a dummy. But you are likely to have plenty else to do: looking after kids, working over-time, fixing the car, fending off zombies. So the install process requires that you learn about torrent clients and command lines and checksums. That's the last thing I need to do. That's eliminated most of the population of the planet as potential users straight off. Point and click, man. What's with all these complications? So anyway. What I needed: a guarantee that I've got a version that will work with the target machine: PIII, 256Mb; a long term release version; and on the advice of this website, a checksummed version. What I got: likelihood the version I've got doesn't work with my machine, a short term release version, and no checksum validation. On top of all that, I'm dizzy from going back and forth and round the website for the information I need to perform this simplest of operations: downloading a version to install. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <TABLE CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0" WIDTH="100%"> <TR> <TD> </TD> </TR> </TABLE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <TABLE CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0" WIDTH="100%"> <TR> <TD> -- <TABLE CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0" WIDTH="100%"> <TR> <TD VALIGN="top"> <A HREF="http://lubuntublog.rafaellaguna.com"><IMG SRC="cid:1338914219.18479.1.camel@omega" WIDTH="129" HEIGHT="26" ALIGN="bottom" ALT="Go to Lubuntu blog" BORDER="0"></A> </TD> <TD WIDTH="100%" VALIGN="top"> <IMG SRC="cid:1338914219.18479.2.camel@omega" WIDTH="100%" HEIGHT="26" ALIGN="bottom" ALT="" BORDER="0"> </TD> <TD VALIGN="top"> <A HREF="http://www.lubuntu.net"><IMG SRC="cid:1338914219.18479.3.camel@omega" WIDTH="119" HEIGHT="26" ALIGN="bottom" ALT="Go to Lubuntu.net" BORDER="0"></A> </TD> </TR> </TABLE> </TD> </TR> </TABLE> </BODY> </HTML>