<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/4.2.2"> </HEAD> <BODY> Sorry, I must say what I think. The people (and I) want to see a BIG button and easier navigation modes, as well as avoiding third party redirected pages. Remember this <A HREF="http://i.imgur.com/5W7B7.png">http://i.imgur.com/5W7B7.png</A> ? That was thinking about ubuntu.com, which is a really gret job, talking in simplicity and efficiency. This will happen again, by many many users. PS. Sorry for being so "graphics nazi", can't avoid it. El dl 04 de 06 de 2012 a les 16:18 +0100, en/na Phill Whiteside va escriure: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> HI, </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> you say you were on "Get Ubuntu" ? The Lubuntu area is Get Lubuntu [1]. </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> The information on that page is up to date and covers as many the vast array of choices available owing to the vast array of computers that Lubuntu will run on. Please also note that none of Lubuntu releases are LTS. </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> The start to Lubuntu Documentation is at [2]. </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Regards, </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Phill. </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> 1. <A HREF="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu</A> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> 2. <A HREF="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu</A> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> On 4 June 2012 13:35, Ryan Gauger <<A HREF="mailto:rtgkid@gmail.com">rtgkid@gmail.com</A>> wrote: </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> On 06/04/2012 07:24 AM, Mark Ballard wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> I would like to give some feedback on a user's experience trying to download and install Lubuntu, if I may. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> It's hard to find the download page. Clicking on "Get Ubuntu" takes you to the help page. Then you have to rummage around on the site to find somewhere to actually download the version you need. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> When you do select to download, it gives you v12.04. Even after rummaging around not possible to see any other versions to download. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> The help page talks about other versions. It's information implies that 11.10 is the long-term release. But there appears to be nowhere to download the long-term release. The importance of short-term releases became apparent to users recently when, for example, they got shipwrecked with the short term release of Ubuntu before the Unity overhaul. Had they stuck with the long term release prior to that, they would not now be shipwrecked. Yes I am speaking from experience. But what's the point of having a long-term release if you don't make it clear to users that this is the most advisable version to download and then point them to it? </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> The checksum info page contains info only about 11.10 checksums. But the site downloads 12.04. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> The checksum and torrent additions to the download process have really snarled things up for idiot users - sorry, you can't say that, can you? It's snarled things up for 'dummies'. No, you can't say that either, can you? Just because you are not an experienced command-line user, administrator or nerd hobbyist, that doesn't make you a dummy. But you are likely to have plenty else to do: looking after kids, working over-time, fixing the car, fending off zombies. So the install process requires that you learn about torrent clients and command lines and checksums. That's the last thing I need to do. That's eliminated most of the population of the planet as potential users straight off. Point and click, man. What's with all these complications? </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> So anyway. What I needed: a guarantee that I've got a version that will work with the target machine: PIII, 256Mb; a long term release version; and on the advice of this website, a checksummed version. What I got: likelihood the version I've got doesn't work with my machine, a short term release version, and no checksum validation. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> On top of all that, I'm dizzy from going back and forth and round the website for the information I need to perform this simplest of operations: downloading a version to install. </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> Hello Mark, I'm sorry your experience with downloading Lubuntu has not been pleasant. You can't download other versions of Ubuntu or Kubuntu off of their websites, unless Googleing "ubuntu 11.10", "ubuntu 11.04", etc. The latest long-term support release is Persistant (12.04 LTS, the LTS stands for Long-Term Support). Thanks! In Christ, Ryan </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <BLOCKQUOTE> -- Lubuntu-users mailing list <A HREF="mailto:Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com">Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com</A> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users</A> </BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> -- <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw</A> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <HR ALIGN="center"> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> Abusive E-mail? 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