[lubuntu-users] [lubuntu-devel] cups not built-in ?

[Jan Holtman]

I see your discussion. In my opinion the most important thing is that a
user gets a complete working system.
Probably the bottom level for Lubuntu is a P4 or a Pentium M with 512MB ram
30 or 40 GB hard-disk.
To get decent performance out of Lubuntu, unless you use it for a
standalone Mp3 player or another simple task you need at least 1GB of ram,
especially for browsing the Internet.
All of these machines probably had at least a combo drive (read DVD, write
CD). More than likely if you had such an old drive in the computer it
already died.
In my experience in hardware optical drives, electrolytic capacitors and
fans are often the first parts that give up.
Machines with only a CD drive are from the P3 era and those machines are
not that suitable in any case.

I think the most important is a good working complete system that is usable
on machines with bottom level P4 or Pentium M and up. PAE and Non PAE
support.
Most important is a good working system.
By the way I still don't understand that yo have to manually set the
swappability from 60 to 10 or 5.
Without doing that if you have low ram your machine becomes really sluggish
when browsing the Internet for example.

My opinion: Performance and a good working system are more important than
cramming and spend a lot of time in trying to cram Lubuntu on a CD.
If the CD only era is gone, well then let it be, performance is the most
important thing.

Also must other distributions are all exceeding 1GB, including LXLE which
is also meant for older PC's

Met vriendelijke groet / Best regards,

Jan Holtman

oulik.jan at gmail.com <1%3Aoulik.jan at gmail.com>

<2%3Ajan.holtman at live.com>

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund at gmail.com> wrote:

> [bottom posting]
>
> Den 2016-08-12 kl. 09:33, skrev Narcis Garcia:
>
>> The lightest variant of Ubuntu, Lubuntu, should fit on a traditional
>> CD-ROM and should be installable without internet access. This is the
>> typical scenario (small computer, small internet) where someone chooses
>> Lubuntu.
>>
>> I believe all basic variants of Lubuntu should fit on a 700MB CD-ROM:
>> i386-desktop*
>> powerpc-desktop*
>> i386-alternate
>> powerpc-alternate
>>
>> - Why Mozilla software is kept instead of CUPS?? What about Midori
>> browser or others? Firefox is 45MiB compressed, Midori 11MiB, full CUPS
>> 10MiB.
>> - If someone needs Sylpheed, has internet access, then can install it
>> after; same with Pidgin and Transmission.
>> - Abiword can be a good selection; Gnumeric is not too esential as the
>> word processor is.
>> - How many partition managers are needed? GParted + gnomedisks ?
>> - How many package managers are needed? Synaptic + softwarecenter ?
>> - How many audio players are needed? Audacious + gnomemplayer ?
>> - Why there are 73MiB (compressed) dedicated to fonts-noto-cjk ? And
>> 8MiB to fonts-nanum ?
>> - 14MiB (compressed) dedicated to software-center metadata
>> (app-install-data) ?
>> - 9MiB for linux-headers ? Need to recompile kernel/modules offline?
>> - About gnome-icon-theme (9MiB), I believe that it should be split in
>> gnome-icon-theme-minimal and gnome-icon-theme-full; then select only the
>> minimal for ISO media.
>>
>>
>> (*) Live sessions are essential to check if the OS works, before
>> installing over a previous OS in the computer.
>>
>>
>>
>> El 11/08/16 a les 20:13, Ian Bruntlett ha escrit:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> On 11 August 2016 at 19:00, Aere Greenway <Aere at dvorak-keyboards.com
>>> <mailto:Aere at dvorak-keyboards.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On 08/11/2016 11:49 AM, Narcis Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>>         I believe that the problem is on software selection to build
>>>         live/install media, and not on any software package.
>>>         If live/install media hasn't CUPS, seems to be caused by a
>>>         discard decision.
>>>
>>>         What I don't understand is, if this decision is for CD space
>>>         reasons,
>>>         why Lubuntu ISOs are still over 700MB.
>>>
>>>     I would be very surprised if cups were intentionally discarded for
>>>     space reasons.
>>>
>>>     The ability to print is a necessity for any computer you do actual
>>>     work with (in my opinion).
>>>
>>>     If things are that desperate space-wise, the goal of fitting it on a
>>>     CD should be abandoned, and defeat admitted.
>>>
>>>
>>> It currently doesn't fit on a CD. To install one of the Ubuntus, go to
>>> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/ and download the relevant iso. From
>>> what I see there, 32-bit Ubuntus can be installed by putting a 48M iso
>>> onto CD-R and choosing options - e.g. Ubuntu or Lubuntu packages - at
>>> install time. I've been using a NetBoot CD-R for some of my 32-bit
>>> installs.
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
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>>> -- Free Software page -
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>>>
>>>
>>
> Hi all Narcis, Aere and all other Lubuntu users and developers,
>
> I agree that this is a very important subject to discuss:
>
> 1. To be or not to be within CD size
>
> 2. if we decide that the Lubuntu iso files should be within CD size, which
> program packages to skip or replace.
>
> 3. else, which program packages to add or replace to take advantage of the
> release from the CD size limit.
>
> -o-
>
> Where should be draw the limit? Are there any ten year old computers, that
> cannot boot from DVD or USB? My twelve year old Dell Dimension 4600 can
> boot from both DVD and USB without any problems. Many older computers can
> chainload via Plop and boot Lubuntu from a USB pendrive.
>
> I think it is time to give up, and let Lubuntu grow beyond the CD size,
> and to take the opportunity to improve the selection of program packages.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
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