New Lenovo Netbook
John Hupp
lubuntu at prpcompany.com
Sat Oct 4 14:21:25 UTC 2014
A nice compendium, Art.
But on your final point about the hidden repair partition: I think it is
usual for that process to rely on a prescribed boot manager. Lubuntu's
installation of the grub boot manager should preserve the repair
partition, but I'm not confident that it will reliably preserve the
boot-to-repair-partition option. However I would be glad to hear
otherwise from others with more experience.
On 10/4/2014 5:03 AM, Artemgy wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> I have always preferred to err on the side of caution by 1) leaving
> Windows on there (I paid for it and it's handy to update bios and
> independently test of hardware issues) and 2) using Windows disk manager
> to shrink the volume.
>
> It can take an hour or two longer to work through the process in
> Windows, but I find that worthwhile for the comfort factor. There are a
> number of "umovable files" according to Windows, which include the page
> and hibernation files, the search index, restore points and kernel debug
> files. After leaving Windows to defrag thoroughly the procedure is A)
> attempt the shrink, B) check the logs to find the file that prevented
> it, and C) delete it. Then loop this until you have shrunk enough!
>
> Here's a better explanation of the process:
> http://www.brandonchecketts.com/archives/how-to-shrink-a-partition-with-unmovable-files-in-windows-7
> And here are a couple of lists of unmovable files and how to turn the
> feature off before moving
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/25221/how-to-shrink-windows-partition-with-unmovable-files-in-dual-boot-installation
> and
>
> On the other hand, I guess that if you have a hidden repair partition,
> you will always have the option to repair, or even restore the whole
> system if you choose to use gparted and end up breaking the Windows side
>
> Good luck
> Art
>
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> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 07:10:13 +0200
> From: Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund at gmail.com>
> To: jerry.vb at gmail.com
> Cc: lubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: New Lenovo Netbook
> Message-ID: <542F8135.1000800 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> We think that it will work to reduce the size of the Windows partition
> using gparted (from a linux live system). You are already warned against
> reducing the size too much. I think you should leave at least 100 GB
> disk space for Windows. There are no guarantees. So you need a good and
> current backup before you start.
>
> You can clone your current hard disk drive with Windows using
>
> *Clonezilla*
>
> Clone it to another hard disk drive of the same size or bigger.
>
> A good alternative is to let Clonezilla make a compressed image of your
> current disk. It will use *much* less space and can be stored in an
> external hard disk drive as a directory with a set of files. But in
> order to restore from it you need another hard disk drive of the same
> size (as your current hard disk drive with Windows) or bigger.
>
> And a backup must be tested is order to be really reliable ...
>
> The advantage with this method is that you restore the system to its
> current state with tweaks, personal files, everything, instead of the
> factory restore.
>
> -o-
>
> An OBI tarball can be used as backup for a linux partition. I'm not sure
> that the method (suggested by Israel Dahl) would be able to restore
> Windows. But I have used Clonezilla for that purpose, and I know that it
> works, when used correctly.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> Den 2014-10-04 06:24, "J. Van Brimmer" skrev:
>> That's what I intend to do once I get the DVDs created. I was having
>> trouble with the Windows backup tool writing to my external ASUS DVD-RW
>> USB drive. It seemed to write data to disc 1, and then it would tell me
>> to insert another disc larger than 1GB as Disc 1 again. I'll have to
>> retry that tomorrow. Not sure what's going on there. I was using 4.7GB
>> DVD-R discs. I just can't express how much I dislike *dows. There were
>> no messages that Disc 1 was complete, or anything similar.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Israel <israeldahl at gmail.com
>> <mailto:israeldahl at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Every so often I get a computer with windows on it, and I resize the
>> windows partition for the person, so they can run their Windows only
>> apps.
>> I have never once had an issue. But really, most of the time, I
>> only use Windows to update the BIOS.
>> And then the next thing I do is install a flavour of Ubuntu.
>> Usually Lubuntu, but sometimes Xubuntu.
>>
>> That said, I never use the Windows partitioner. I manually
>> partition the system inside the LiveCD. Windows has always "worked"
>> during those times. Usually, though it is better to reinstall
>> Windows so you get a fresh registry. Though the newer NT based
>> versions seem to handle things a bit better, they always seem to get
>> slower, and full of viruses after they have been used for somewhere
>> around a year.
>>
>> Most of the 'broken' computers I get have windows issues. I had one
>> that the sound wasn't working, and the DVD drive no longer
>> functioned (in windows). I simply booted a live CD (yes the drive
>> did work), and voila... everything was working.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/03/2014 08:15 PM, "J. Van Brimmer" wrote:
>>> Yeah, I understand that it's a loaded question. I was just
>>> wondering if anyone here had tried it before. After I get my DVD
>>> images complete and tested, I'm going to try it.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Andre Rodovalho
>>> <andre.rodovalho at gmail.com <mailto:andre.rodovalho at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nobody will answer you for sure. Even if you contact Windows
>>> support... Give it a try. If you have any problems, you
>>> restore that. Better now that you have nothing on your Windows
>>> than later...
>>>
>>> PS: Windows 7 requires 20GB for 64bits architecture.
>>>
>>> 2014-10-03 20:26 GMT-03:00 "J. Van Brimmer"
>>> <jerry.vb at gmail.com <mailto:jerry.vb at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>> It has a 500Gb hard drive, but the "C" partition was only
>>> about 460Gb. When I ran the Partitoner from inside
>>> Windows, it would only shrink "C" down to 226Gb.
>>>
>>> I just now booted up a Lubuntu live 14.04 disc and ran
>>> Gparted from inside Lubu. Gparted says I can shrink "C"
>>> down to 36.6 Gb minimum. But, I have no problem leaving it
>>> at 100 Gb. I just want to know, if I shrink it down below
>>> the 226 Gb boundary set by the Windows partitioner, will
>>> it clobber Windows? Will I have to factory restore the
>>> system just to have a running windows?
>>>
>>> I am tempted to just wipe the whole disc, but I thought if
>>> I can shrink "C" down to 100 Gb, I'd leave it there.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Aere Greenway
>>> <Aere at dvorak-keyboards.com
>>> <mailto:Aere at dvorak-keyboards.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/03/2014 11:30 AM, "J. Van Brimmer" wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I have just acquired a "new" refurbished Lenovo X140e
>>>> netbook. tI has Windows 7 Pro on it. The first thing
>>>> I did after booting it up was to go into Partition
>>>> Management to shrink the C partition to make room for
>>>> Lubuntu. I was shocked to discover that the partition
>>>> manager would only shrink C by 50%. So, I went ahead
>>>> and did that.
>>>>
>>>> Then, I booted up a live CD of Gparted. Gparted says
>>>> I can shrink C way down a lot more. I don't remember
>>>> how far it was, but it was way down, less than 100 GB.
>>>>
>>>> Can I safely follow Gparted's recommendation and not
>>>> impact Winbroke? I am not too terribly worried about
>>>> it though. I am going to create a restore image DVD,
>>>> but I just thought I'd ask to see if anyone has any
>>>> experience on this before I get started.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ->Jerry<-
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Jerry:
>>>
>>> I once had a Windows partition that I re-sized way
>>> down to a size that seemed reasonable at the time. It
>>> seemed reasonable because I only use that system for
>>> testing.
>>>
>>> A year or so later, that system was in-trouble because
>>> of insufficient space.
>>>
>>> The culprit? The space was used up by the multitude
>>> of Windows updates.
>>>
>>> I had to re-size the Windows partition to a larger
>>> size to rescue the system (which involved resizing and
>>> even moving my Linux partitions).
>>>
>>> So by word of experience, in re-sizing a Windows
>>> partition, be sure to leave it room to install the
>>> many necessary Windows updates. On Windows 7 and
>>> above, it also creates a restore-point whenever you
>>> install anything, and those restore-points take up
>>> disk space as well.
>>>
>>> I do recommend keeping your Windows partition around
>>> (and usable) if you have one. Over the years, there
>>> have been many cases where I was glad I saved it for
>>> those occasional things that won't run on Linux, or
>>> for which Linux has no practical alternative.
>>>
>>> Linux has been very reliable in re-sizing all of my
>>> Windows partitions. In over 10 years of experience,
>>> it only failed once, and in that case, there may have
>>> been disk errors in the Windows partition. So make
>>> sure you do a disk check of the Windows partition
>>> before re-sizing it.
>>>
>>> Beware that on Windows 8, it may leave its partition
>>> in a 'suspend' (hibernate) state, so re-sizing it
>>> could give you problems.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Aere
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ->Jerry<-
>>>
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>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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