nasty display bugs

Fri Nov 7 01:00:45 UTC 2014

My old Panasonic Toughbook uses 'old Intel' graphics and survived the
transition to 14.10 without obvious hitches.

I can't remember offhand whether the driver was 'stock' or installed via
the Intel utility. What's the best way to check via cli?

David H
On 6 Nov 2014 18:29, <lubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:

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>       xserver-xorg-video-intel, system boots to a black screen
>       (Aere Greenway)
>    4. Re: Lubuntu ISO prototype, build with LXQt, available for
>       testing (Fritz Hudnut)
>    5. Re: Lubuntu ISO prototype, build with LXQt, available for
>       testing (Aere Greenway)
>    6. Re: Lubuntu ISO prototype, build with LXQt, available for
>       testing (Ian Bruntlett)
>    7. nasty display bugs (Walter Lapchynski)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 15:48:37 +0100
> From: <farinet at arcor.de>
> To: lubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com
> Cc: lubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Subject: Fwd: .... system boots to a black screen
> Message-ID: <20141106154837.6ce32cbc.farinet at arcor.de>
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> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 05:28:46 +0000
> lubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
>
> > Subject: Fwd: [Bug 1389904] Re: With the recent update to
> >       xserver-xorg-video-intel, system boots to a black screen
>
> Just a side note. Looking at how Aere posted the relevant sysinfos came up
> to my mind it might be a good idea to add the cli utility inxi to Lubuntu.
>
> It's really easy and effective to gather the systeminfos, better - and
> more complete - than all the standard tools, with and without gui, i'm
> aware of.
>
> Look here:
>
>
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=inxi&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
>
> https://code.google.com/p/inxi/
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 15:56:46 +0100
> From: <farinet at arcor.de>
> To: lubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Subject: Fwd: [Bug 1389904] Re: With the recent update to
>         xserver-xorg-video-intel, system boots to a black screen
> Message-ID: <20141106155646.3d15e0d6.farinet at arcor.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 05:28:46 +0000
> lubuntu-users-request at lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
>
> > Subject: Fwd: [Bug 1389904] Re: With the recent update to
> >       xserver-xorg-video-intel, system boots to a black screen
>
> Just a side note. Looking at how Aere posted the relevant sysinfos came up
> to my mind it might be a good idea to add the cli utility inxi to Lubuntu.
>
> It's really easy and effective to gather the systeminfos, better - and
> more complete - than all the standard tools, with and without gui, i'm
> aware of.
>
> Look here:
>
>
> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=inxi&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
>
> https://code.google.com/p/inxi/
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 08:54:32 -0700
> From: Aere Greenway <Aere at Dvorak-Keyboards.com>
> To: farinet at arcor.de, lubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Subject: Fwd: [Bug 1389904] Re: With the recent update to
>         xserver-xorg-video-intel, system boots to a black screen
> Message-ID: <545B99B8.30705 at Dvorak-Keyboards.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> On 11/06/2014 07:56 AM, farinet at arcor.de wrote:
> > Just a side note. Looking at how Aere posted the relevant sysinfos came
> up to my mind it might be a good idea to add the cli utility inxi to
> Lubuntu.
> >
> > It's really easy and effective to gather the systeminfos, better - and
> more complete - than all the standard tools, with and without gui, i'm
> aware of.
> Under the "System" menu, there is the "System Profiler and Benchmark"
> tool, which works fine, and you can Copy/Paste from its display.
>
> Unfortunately, there is no "Edit" menu to reassure you you are copying
> what you want.
>
> For example, with "Display" selected in the left pane, I selected (in
> the right pane), the "Resolution" line.  Right-clicking on it yields no
> menu, but when I hit control-c, then paste (in the e-mail below), I get
> the following (namely, everything in the right pane - not just what was
> selected:
>
> -Display-
> Resolution        : 1920x1080 pixels
> Vendor        : The X.Org Foundation
> Version        : 1.15.1
> -Monitors-
> Monitor 0        : 1920x1080 pixels
> -Extensions-
> BIG-REQUESTS
> Composite
> DAMAGE
> DOUBLE-BUFFER
> DPMS
> DRI2
> DRI3
> GLX
> Generic Event Extension
> MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
> MIT-SHM
> Present
> RANDR
> RECORD
> RENDER
> SECURITY
> SGI-GLX
> SHAPE
> SYNC
> X-Resource
> XC-MISC
> XFIXES
> XFree86-DGA
> XFree86-VidModeExtension
> XINERAMA
> XInputExtension
> XKEYBOARD
> XTEST
> XVideo
> -OpenGL-
> Vendor        : Unknown
> Renderer        : Unknown
> Version        : Unknown
> Direct Rendering        : No
>
> This was done on my primary machine - not the machine having the problem.
>
> If my Lubuntu partition could have been booted (even with a prior
> kernel), I would have used this tool.
>
> UbuntuStudio (with the XFCE) has no system info tool, so I installed
> something (sysinfo), which unfortunately, I couldn't copy/paste from,
> and in doing it, installed a bunch of mono libraries, taking a long time
> to install (I don't like sysinfo).
>
> I know most of you really like command-line-interface tools.
>
> The problem I encounter with such tools, is I can't remember the command
> name, and I don't want to search through volumes of past e-mails to
> discover it.
>
> If there's a GUI tool in the menu (and its name describes what it does),
> I will use that, and if it's use is not obvious, its help information
> usually gives me what I need.
>
> With such a tool, I don't have to remember a lot of information for
> something I rarely use, thus keeping my memory available for the huge
> amount of programming details needed for my projects.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Aere
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 08:17:51 -0800
> From: Fritz Hudnut <este.el.paz at gmail.com>
> To: J?rn Sch?nyan <joern.schoenyan at web.de>
> Cc: lubuntu user list <lubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Lubuntu ISO prototype, build with LXQt, available for
>         testing
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> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:02 AM, J?rn Sch?nyan <joern.schoenyan at web.de>
> wrote:
>
> > About the minimum and/or recommended system requirements: we haven't
> > tested it, yet. But I think it's reasonable to assume simmilar
> requirements
> > like LXDE. As a rule of thumb:
> >
> > * 256 MB RAM, 1 GHz: barely usable at all, but should "work"
> > * 512-768 MB RAM, 1-1,5 GHz: a lot better, but still some kind of
> > limitations
> > * 1 GB RAM and a better processor: really useable, even the "big
> software"
> > like LibreOffice / Firefox works fine
> >
> > And as an addition to that: it will not be a requirement, but if you have
> > working hardware acceleration from your graphic chip, this could help a
> > lot! Qt5 can be painted by hardware acceleration, which means: your GPU
> > paints the user interface, your CPU has more ressources avaible to do the
> > hard work.
> >
>
>
> @JS:
>
> Thanks for the info.  Well, that would put my G4 iBook on the "should work"
> low end of processor speed, in this case 933MHz . . . RAM of something in
> the 600MB.  My iMac 800 has once again KP'd out of service . . . that has 1
> GB RAM, but no way to test anything.  I'll have to wait until an iso is
> available, not enough skilz to compile a system from "scratch" and test . .
> . but, it's looking like the AmigaOne guys will have to pick up the hammer
> on testing LXQT for PPC . . . .
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:54:20 -0700
> From: Aere Greenway <Aere at Dvorak-Keyboards.com>
> To: Fritz Hudnut <este.el.paz at gmail.com>, J?rn Sch?nyan
>         <joern.schoenyan at web.de>
> Cc: lubuntu user list <lubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Lubuntu ISO prototype, build with LXQt, available for
>         testing
> Message-ID: <545BB5CC.5000503 at Dvorak-Keyboards.com>
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> On 11/06/2014 09:17 AM, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
> > Thanks for the info.  Well, that would put my G4 iBook on the "should
> > work" low end of processor speed, in this case 933MHz . . . RAM of
> > something in the 600MB.  My iMac 800 has once again KP'd out of
> > service . . . that has 1 GB RAM, but no way to test anything.  I'll
> > have to wait until an iso is available, not enough skilz to compile a
> > system from "scratch" and test . . . but, it's looking like the
> > AmigaOne guys will have to pick up the hammer on testing LXQT for PPC
> > . . . .
> Fritz:
>
> I have a low-end test machine, whose speed is 933 megahertz, with 512
> megabytes of ram, and up through Lubuntu 14.04, performs well - at least
> for the MIDI music testing I've been doing on it.
>
> UbuntuStudio (with the XFCE desktop) doesn't perform very well, but
> still marginally works.
>
> The thing that's causing it problems isn't the low processor speed, or
> the lack of RAM, but its old Intel graphics (a part of the mother-board,
> with no AGP slot for a NVIDIA card).
>
> Lubuntu 14.10 will not boot on it, most likely because of its graphics
> card.
>
> Unfortunately, the latest system updates destroyed that Lubuntu system,
> and will probably also destroy the UbuntuStudio partition as well if I
> apply system updates.
>
> So even though it worked fine on Lubuntu 14.04 (and I hoped to use it
> until the end of 14.04 support), it may even now need to be consigned to
> the trash-bin.
>
> As a developer, and recognizing that Linux developers volunteer their
> time and expertise, developers want to work on new stuff - not old
> stuff.  So the loss of perfectly usable machines is due to human nature
> - not devious planning.
>
> P.S. - Likewise, Lubuntu 14.10 will not boot on even a 2 gigahertz Intel
> Celeron processor machine with 1 gigabytes of RAM, because of its Intel
> graphics card - even though I have a NVIDIA PCI graphics card
> installed.  During boot, it gets a render-error from the integrated
> Intel graphics card (even though the BIOS has it disabled), and (not
> knowing there is a PCI NVIDIA card), aborts loading the system. The
> abandonment by Linux of the old Intel graphics cards cuts very deeply...
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Aere
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 18:06:54 +0000
> From: Ian Bruntlett <ian.bruntlett at gmail.com>
> Cc: lubuntu user list <lubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Lubuntu ISO prototype, build with LXQt, available for
>         testing
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> Hi,
>
> About Aere's problems...
>
> I have some old Dell Optiplex desktop PCs with Intel i810 chipsets in them.
> I don't want to throw them away. I am working on chasing down the problem
> and finding a fix to it. I'm good with C, rusty with x86 assembler and
> don't know much about Linux Device driver programming.
>
> I've written up my problems with those PCs and you can read them at your
> leisure at:-
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1385920
>
> Don't throw your old PCs out just yet!
>
> BW,
>
>
> Ian
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 10:28:46 -0800
> From: Walter Lapchynski <wxl at ubuntu.com>
> To: Ian Bruntlett <ian.bruntlett at gmail.com>, Aere Greenway
>         <Aere at dvorak-keyboards.com>,  Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund at gmail.com>
> Cc: "lubuntu-qa at lists.launchpad.net" <lubuntu-qa at lists.launchpad.net>,
>         lubuntu user list <lubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: nasty display bugs
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> Ian's bug is apparently i810? On 14.10, no kernel module being used.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1385920
>
> Aere's bug is i915 I think. On 14.04, with i915 kernel module, I think.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1389904
>
> My guess is these are different. They do have the same results
> apparently. We need to figure out if the same bug affects both chips
> (in which case we have a duplicate) or if this is something else
> entirely.
>
> We also need to figure out which chips this affects. Saying "old
> Intel" isn't descriptive enough, really.
>
> It would be valuable to know which versions this applies to and which
> versions it doesn't.
>
> We should try different kernel modules and different kernel boot
> parameters.
>
> Also, this SHOULD affect all flavors and not just Lubuntu. This needs
> to be tested as well.
>
> Since only users that have this hardware can reproduce it, those users
> need to gather as much information as humanly possible so that the bug
> can be triaged. Otherwise, it's likely not going to go anywhere.
>
> I see now why this wasn't reported during testing: because so few of
> the tests were done with this hardware. This is why it's so valuable
> to have hardware testing done.
>
> I appreciate you guys reporting this bug and I'm sorry that the
> solution is a bunch of hard work on your part, but I don't know what
> else I can do except encourage you to give us more information!
>
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