Lubuntu-users Digest, Vol 29, Issue 67

Gary Knott garyknott at gmail.com
Wed May 21 23:15:00 UTC 2014


Dear List,  Thanks for the responses.   I have never heard of
nm-applet, and I wouldn't know what it was just by being given the name.
(I see it means network-manager-applet.) And I wouldn't have any clue
about clicking
on random icons to find such a thing.

So Lubuntu should have some kind of
"getting-started" manual for non-complete-dummies that appears as a labled icon
on the desktop of the default install.  I would help write such a story
if i knew enough to do so.

I did not use nm-applet, i just set everything up manually from an xterm.

But why is it called an "applet" - it's just a program isn't it?




I do have some questions about the Lubuntu desktop.

1. I think there is  X-windows, and then a "window-manager"
program and then the "desktop" program.  What are their
names?

2. Is the "window manager" swappable with other such
window-maagers?  If so, how would I decide what to use?
(One feature I would like to go away is "pop-up" scroll bars -
I want full scroll-bars on every window that is provided to be scrollable.)

3. How do I get a "launcher icon" on the desktop for my own
executable program (stored as an executable file = /home/user/prog say) ?
[For some programs, I would like to specify whether
to first start an xterm, (or whatever
its called now,) and run my program as though it were run from that
command line.]

-And how do i get some icon to use for my "launcher"?


4. On the menu bar (or whatever its called) along the bottom
of the screen, there are a pair of icons [one is US and the other
is a dot-filled rectangle] that seen to just report that I selected
US English as my `language'.  I don't need these. do I?
And, if not, how do I get rid of them.  I tried right-clicking,
hoping for a pop-up menu with a delte option, but
right-clicking did nothing.

Thanks,   garyknott at gmail.com






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> From: Andre Rodovalho <andre.rodovalho at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: Installing Lubuntu circa may 2014
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> First things first... Did you configure your network connection with
> nm-applet??
>
> On a Live Lubuntu or a Installed 14.04 (LTS), you can run it with Alt+F2
> shortcut. Just type "nm-applet" and click OK.
>
> The networks manager will be shown as a "tray" icon...
>
>
> 2014-05-20 20:57 GMT-03:00 brendanperrine <walterorlin at gmail.com>:
>
>> On Tue, 20 May 2014 18:58:16 -0400
>> Gary Knott <garyknott at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Questions about installing Lubuntu.
>> >
>> > I downloaded an iso for lubuntu (- for some reason it uses AMD in the
>> > title at the web-site.  This is sure to confuse some people.)
>> > I burned a CD, and used the "live" feature to
>> > run gparted and repartitioned my disk, leaving a
>> > set of 3 win7  partitions and setting up swap, /, home and boot
>> > as 4 logical partitions.
>> >
>> > Then I used the CD again, choosing the install
>> > option.  The install program tried to find our wifi
>> > with dhcp connection to the net, presumably
>> > to fetch other files needed to complete the installation.
>> > It annouced it had failed, which is correct, because
>> > I do not even have a wireless card;
>> > I have a wired local network with fixed ip numbers
>> > manually assigned to each machine and to
>> > our gateway router.
>> >
>> > question 1: The install process did NOT drop into a
>> > state where it would ask for my
>> > ip number, gateway ip-number, netmask, etc.
>> > Why not?  This seems to be a terrible oversight.
>> > (And as i recall KDE did ask a few years ago.)
>> > And did I just not hit some magic key or something that
>> > would have caused the install to behave properly?
>> >
>> > After installing, I powered-off, restarted and selected
>> > ubuntu from the grub menu.  The boot worked okay.
>> > I did not set up our net connection (yet) but just shutdown.
>> >
>> > Then I restarted and booted win7.  It worked okay.
>> > Then I restarted and booted ubuntu.  The boot
>> > started, the 5 dots appeared, and the screen then went full blue and
>> > nothing happened.  I though maybe this hanging was due to looking for a
>> > wifi connection, but remember I booted successfully before.
>> >
>> > question 2: what is happening in this state?
>> >
>> > Then I powered down, and rebooted and selected
>> > the "advanced ubuntu" option from the grub menu.
>> > This gives a menu from which I can select disk checking,
>> > single-user mode (under another name), etc.
>> > I just selected "resume normal boot".
>> >
>> > Now the boot worked fine, (except screen resolution was
>> > degraded to some lower resolution.)
>> > I then immediately shutdown.
>> >
>> > Then I restarted and selected the normal ubuntu
>> > boot option from the grub menu.
>> > Now the system booted fine and with the correct
>> > resolution!  (and now I could configure my network
>> > connection if I wished.)
>> >
>> > question 3:  What happened here?  Why did this
>> > "work", and what issue was overcome, and how?
>> >
>> > question 4: Can you predict what will happen when I
>> > boot win7 again?  [The answer is the win7 anomaly
>> > does not re-occur. - But still, what happened?]
>> >
>> > question 5:  what should I do to finish my lubuntu
>> > installation?  I need TeX, Gcc, emacs, etc, etc.
>> > Is there a graphical update program in my CD install
>> > that will get  me a full-fledged system without too much grief?
>> >
>> > [Answer, there is something called the Software Center Manager, or
>> > something like this.  When I ran it, it had a very few programs one
>> > could select from a dozen categories to download. I could get Emacs
>> > though. I then ran the synaptic program - this was much better and i
>> > was able to get teX, but it is still deficient - I like the Software
>> > Center Interface (sort-of,) because it has categories, but it needs to
>> > have "everything" available.
>> >
>> > Later I read a web-site that said to execute the commands:
>> > sudo -i
>> > apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
>> > apt-get dist-upgrade   (This does the downloads and takes awhile.)
>> > apt-get autoclean
>> > rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
>> >
>> > But there was no description of what each step does, or why i want
>> > to do it.   (But I did it, and it worked.  I still don't have
>> > gcc or a bunch of other stuff however.)
>> > ]
>> >
>> >
>> > So I would like to suggest that the install program
>> > be fixed to ask me for my net-connection, or at
>> > least that the Lubuntu manual on installation that i found via a
>> > google search be expanded to explain in more detail
>> > what different kinds of users might expect to see happen
>> > when they install.
>> >
>> >
>> > question 6:  If I ran the "live" version of Lubuntu
>> > off the CD,  and then set-up my net-connection =
>> > ip-number, gateway, DNS server ip Numbers, etc.,
>> > and THEN ran the install program in an xterm,
>> > would my install be more civilized?  And what is the
>> > name of the install program and in what directory is it
>> > in?  I would need to know that in order to run it.
>> >
>> > If this is a good way for people like me to install,
>> > maybe it should be in the manual, and described in
>> > options when booting the CD.
>> >
>> > I will try installing the so-called LTS Lubuntu system
>> > in a few weeks, since i don't want to struggle with
>> > installing every 10 months or so.
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------
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>> This is a small bug in the release notes that the nm-applet is on by
>> start
>> which you just need to run and then you can click on it as a GUI. Yes you
>> need to install Tex but not everyone knows what you want synaptic has a
>> search feature.
>>
>> Also lubuntu comes with two GUI package managers the old synaptic and
>> lubuntu software center.
>>
>> On my 14.04 install I just set up a network connection through ethernet
>> with nm-applet.  I think you will need to connect to the internet to get
>> apt to work or there was apt-offline.
>> --
>> brendanperrine <walterorlin at gmail.com>
>>
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> From: Andre Rodovalho <andre.rodovalho at gmail.com>
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> If nothing happens with Alt + F2, you can click on "menu" or launch then
> "run".
>
> For a permanent fix of nm-applet, see:
> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/04/fix-lubuntu-1404-network-manager.html
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>
> 2014-05-21 14:14 GMT-03:00 Andre Rodovalho <andre.rodovalho at gmail.com>:
>
>> First things first... Did you configure your network connection with
>> nm-applet??
>>
>> On a Live Lubuntu or a Installed 14.04 (LTS), you can run it with Alt+F2
>> shortcut. Just type "nm-applet" and click OK.
>>
>> The networks manager will be shown as a "tray" icon...
>>
>>
>> 2014-05-20 20:57 GMT-03:00 brendanperrine <walterorlin at gmail.com>:
>>
>> On Tue, 20 May 2014 18:58:16 -0400
>>> Gary Knott <garyknott at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Questions about installing Lubuntu.
>>> >
>>> > I downloaded an iso for lubuntu (- for some reason it uses AMD in the
>>> > title at the web-site.  This is sure to confuse some people.)
>>> > I burned a CD, and used the "live" feature to
>>> > run gparted and repartitioned my disk, leaving a
>>> > set of 3 win7  partitions and setting up swap, /, home and boot
>>> > as 4 logical partitions.
>>> >
>>> > Then I used the CD again, choosing the install
>>> > option.  The install program tried to find our wifi
>>> > with dhcp connection to the net, presumably
>>> > to fetch other files needed to complete the installation.
>>> > It annouced it had failed, which is correct, because
>>> > I do not even have a wireless card;
>>> > I have a wired local network with fixed ip numbers
>>> > manually assigned to each machine and to
>>> > our gateway router.
>>> >
>>> > question 1: The install process did NOT drop into a
>>> > state where it would ask for my
>>> > ip number, gateway ip-number, netmask, etc.
>>> > Why not?  This seems to be a terrible oversight.
>>> > (And as i recall KDE did ask a few years ago.)
>>> > And did I just not hit some magic key or something that
>>> > would have caused the install to behave properly?
>>> >
>>> > After installing, I powered-off, restarted and selected
>>> > ubuntu from the grub menu.  The boot worked okay.
>>> > I did not set up our net connection (yet) but just shutdown.
>>> >
>>> > Then I restarted and booted win7.  It worked okay.
>>> > Then I restarted and booted ubuntu.  The boot
>>> > started, the 5 dots appeared, and the screen then went full blue and
>>> > nothing happened.  I though maybe this hanging was due to looking for
>>> > a
>>> > wifi connection, but remember I booted successfully before.
>>> >
>>> > question 2: what is happening in this state?
>>> >
>>> > Then I powered down, and rebooted and selected
>>> > the "advanced ubuntu" option from the grub menu.
>>> > This gives a menu from which I can select disk checking,
>>> > single-user mode (under another name), etc.
>>> > I just selected "resume normal boot".
>>> >
>>> > Now the boot worked fine, (except screen resolution was
>>> > degraded to some lower resolution.)
>>> > I then immediately shutdown.
>>> >
>>> > Then I restarted and selected the normal ubuntu
>>> > boot option from the grub menu.
>>> > Now the system booted fine and with the correct
>>> > resolution!  (and now I could configure my network
>>> > connection if I wished.)
>>> >
>>> > question 3:  What happened here?  Why did this
>>> > "work", and what issue was overcome, and how?
>>> >
>>> > question 4: Can you predict what will happen when I
>>> > boot win7 again?  [The answer is the win7 anomaly
>>> > does not re-occur. - But still, what happened?]
>>> >
>>> > question 5:  what should I do to finish my lubuntu
>>> > installation?  I need TeX, Gcc, emacs, etc, etc.
>>> > Is there a graphical update program in my CD install
>>> > that will get  me a full-fledged system without too much grief?
>>> >
>>> > [Answer, there is something called the Software Center Manager, or
>>> > something like this.  When I ran it, it had a very few programs one
>>> > could select from a dozen categories to download. I could get Emacs
>>> > though. I then ran the synaptic program - this was much better and i
>>> > was able to get teX, but it is still deficient - I like the Software
>>> > Center Interface (sort-of,) because it has categories, but it needs to
>>> > have "everything" available.
>>> >
>>> > Later I read a web-site that said to execute the commands:
>>> > sudo -i
>>> > apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
>>> > apt-get dist-upgrade   (This does the downloads and takes awhile.)
>>> > apt-get autoclean
>>> > rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
>>> >
>>> > But there was no description of what each step does, or why i want
>>> > to do it.   (But I did it, and it worked.  I still don't have
>>> > gcc or a bunch of other stuff however.)
>>> > ]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > So I would like to suggest that the install program
>>> > be fixed to ask me for my net-connection, or at
>>> > least that the Lubuntu manual on installation that i found via a
>>> > google search be expanded to explain in more detail
>>> > what different kinds of users might expect to see happen
>>> > when they install.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > question 6:  If I ran the "live" version of Lubuntu
>>> > off the CD,  and then set-up my net-connection =
>>> > ip-number, gateway, DNS server ip Numbers, etc.,
>>> > and THEN ran the install program in an xterm,
>>> > would my install be more civilized?  And what is the
>>> > name of the install program and in what directory is it
>>> > in?  I would need to know that in order to run it.
>>> >
>>> > If this is a good way for people like me to install,
>>> > maybe it should be in the manual, and described in
>>> > options when booting the CD.
>>> >
>>> > I will try installing the so-called LTS Lubuntu system
>>> > in a few weeks, since i don't want to struggle with
>>> > installing every 10 months or so.
>>> >
>>> > --------------------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Lubuntu-users mailing list
>>> > Lubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
>>>
>>> This is a small bug in the release notes that the nm-applet is on by
>>> start which you just need to run and then you can click on it as a GUI.
>>> Yes
>>> you need to install Tex but not everyone knows what you want synaptic has
>>> a
>>> search feature.
>>>
>>> Also lubuntu comes with two GUI package managers the old synaptic and
>>> lubuntu software center.
>>>
>>> On my 14.04 install I just set up a network connection through ethernet
>>> with nm-applet.  I think you will need to connect to the internet to get
>>> apt to work or there was apt-offline.
>>> --
>>> brendanperrine <walterorlin at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Lubuntu-users mailing list
>>> Lubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
>>>
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