14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with update-manager/notifier

Dale Visser dale.visser at live.com
Tue May 13 21:39:52 UTC 2014

I may be seeing this as well on my two Lubuntu 14.04 systems.

Sent from my Windows Phone
From: John Hupp<mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>
Sent: ‎5/‎13/‎2014 5:18 PM
To: bapoumba at ubuntu.com<mailto:bapoumba at ubuntu.com>; Dale Visser<mailto:dale.visser at live.com>; lubuntu user list<mailto:lubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: 14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with update-manager/notifier

On 5/12/2014 6:09 AM, bapoumba wrote:
> Hello !
> On Sun, 11 May 2014 20:07:35 +0200, John Hupp <lubuntu at prpcompany.com>
> wrote:
>     It's now been 3 full days, and I have not been notified about any
>     available updates yet.  A manual run of Software Updater now shows
>     4.3 MB available.  So it does not seem that the delay is due to
>     phased updates, but that the bug 1046563 is still active here.
>     @bapoumba, you seemed to have the same problem.  Any new observations?
> As I mentioned in the forums thread, some of the packages I had
> spotted have shown up in update-notifier. I'm keeping an eye on this
> and will report again if packages are not being pushed in
> update-notifier after the 3-4 days watch period when no bugs or issues
> are reported.
> Of course, the upgrade process will explicitly be stopped in
> update-notifier if bugs are reported.
> I'll have a closer look later tonight (I'm UTC +1).
> Regards,
> b.
>     And of course, there is also the other issue in the discussion at
>     http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325 -- the
>     discrepancy between updates found by update-manager and by
>     Synaptic or apt-get upgrade -- and I don't know of a bug report in
>     connection with that.  I have not myself seen this second issue.
>     Apt-get upgrade current offers 4.3 MB of upgrades, just as
>     Software Updater does.
>     On 5/8/2014 12:43 PM, John Hupp wrote:
>>     OK, I'm in good position to test whether this is the old bug at
>>     work or simply phased updates working properly.  I just ran
>>     Software Updater manually and it identified 683 KB of updates
>>     available for the Lubuntu Base.  I did not install the updates,
>>     so within 2.5 days I should be notified that there are updates
>>     available.
>>     On 5/8/2014 8:26 AM, bapoumba wrote:
>>>     Ah very very good point
>>>     :http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
>>>     <http://people.canonical.com/%7Eubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html>
>>>     the iputils packages are showing up on that page.
>>>     Thank you much, I always forget about phase updates..
>>>     On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Dale Visser
>>>     <dale.visser at live.com <mailto:dale.visser at live.com>> wrote:
>>>         You may just be encountering "phased updates" for the first
>>>         time in this version:
>>>         http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/phased-updates-to-start-rolling-out-for-ubuntu-13-04
>>>         It takes 2.5 days for a new phased update to roll out to all
>>>         users. Apt-get bypasses the delays and gets everything that
>>>         can be updated.
>>>         Sent from my Windows Phone
>>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>         From: bapoumba <mailto:bapoumba at ubuntu.com>
>>>         Sent: ‎5/‎8/‎2014 5:50 AM
>>>         To: John Hupp <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>
>>>         Cc: lubuntu user list <mailto:lubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>         Subject: Re: 14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with
>>>         update-manager/notifier
>>>         Hello,
>>>         thanks for the email, I was about to post one.
>>>         First off, I'd like to apologize for silently joining the
>>>         list a few weeks back. So hello, you'll mainly find me on
>>>         the forums :)
>>>         I've added a few things to the forums thread, and linked the
>>>         bug report here
>>>         https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main
>>>         <https://code.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main>
>>>         I've also added "trusty" to the title.
>>>         Now I'm not that familiar with update-manager
>>>         (software-updater) and not sure where to look at to
>>>         troubleshoot and add useful information.
>>>         To me, the biggest issue is the discrepancy between apt-get
>>>         upgrade and software updater.
>>>         Would anyone know ?
>>>         Have a good day !
>>>         On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 9:13 PM, John Hupp
>>>         <lubuntu at prpcompany.com <mailto:lubuntu at prpcompany.com>> wrote:
>>>             I don't find the issue in the Lubuntu or Ubuntu 14.04
>>>             Release Notes, but it seems like 14.04 is subject to
>>>             https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563
>>>             <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563>,
>>>             reported for 12.04, in which automatic updating fails.
>>>             I was noticing that I wasn't being prompted to install
>>>             software updates.  I ran Software Updater
>>>             (update-manager) manually once and got a big batch of
>>>             updates.  I ran it manually again today and it
>>>             identified another batch that I could get.  It included
>>>             updates for Software Updater, so perhaps that will fix
>>>             the problem.
>>>             There is a big discussion of the problem at
>>>             http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2222325. And
>>>             beyond the notification problem, a number of people
>>>             report seeing big differences between the updates
>>>             identified by update-manager and Synaptic.
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>>>     bapoumba
> --
> bapoumba

Update-manager now identifies 22.9 MB of Security updates: 22.9 MB for
the Lubuntu base and 49.5 MB of Other updates, and update-notifier has
still not prompted to install anything.  (I have not manually installed
any updates since 5/8 or before when I started watching this closely.

I have been trying to gather documentation for troubleshooting purposes,
but have not had great success.

Update-notifier is described as a daemon, but I find that it has no
process running.  There is also no Upstart job to launch the daemon in
/etc/init.  I thought I was on to something at that point, but then I
found this 2012 blueprint
and this brief wiki <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpdateNotifier> which imply
that update-notifier might normally not be continually running now, that
monitoring might be handled instead by an "upstart-file-bridge."  Is
update-notifier continually running for any of you?

I suppose my next move may be to find out about upstart-file-bridges.
In any case, I currently don't know enough to lay out further
troubleshooting measures.

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