[Lubuntu-comms] Wiki Editing / meeting
Iberê Fernandes
ibere.fernandes at gmail.com
Sun Mar 30 13:53:49 UTC 2014
2014-03-29 11:26 GMT-03:00 Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund at gmail.com>:
> Hi Phill,
>
> It was correct to tell me I was doing wrong, but it could have been more
> diplomatic. Maybe other people were also angry, and complained to you,
> and made you swing the axe ;-)
>
> But don't worry. I will keep working with Ubuntu flavour software to
> help running middle-aged and old computers. I intend to supply
> information, that can be posted at the Lubuntu wiki, and I really think
> it is better to only supply such information and stay away from editing
> the wiki pages.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> 2014-03-29 14:43, Phill Whiteside skrev:
>> Hi Nio,
>>
>> Sergio has been busy with real life (it happens). One of the pluss's of
>> having sub-teams is that they can discuss things without people who have
>> no interest being 'spammed' with heart felt discussions :) The minus
>> side is that if you are not on that mailing list, you have no idea as to
>> if a sub-team is actively discussing things, or not.
>>
>> The last email that was sent out to general group from wiki team was for
>> people to proof read the +1 pages that Sergio has prepared. Also noted
>> have been the results of things like OBI as to what resources it needs
>> to install etc.
>>
>> The edits you have been made have not been deleted, they are still there
>> :) I apologise as it seems my phrasing was not what it should have been.
>> you are, indeed, a valued and hard working member of lubuntu.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>>
>> On 29 March 2014 11:21, Ali Linx <ali.linux at amjjawad.net
>> <mailto:ali.linux at amjjawad.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 03/29/2014 11:24 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>
>> Hi Phill and everybody else,
>>
>>
>> Hello Nio,
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. I'm very sorry to have made you upset.
>>
>>
>> 2. I will not push this issue, but stay back and let other
>> people manage
>> the Lubuntu wiki pages.
>>
>>
>> 3. But I want to explain why I did what I did:
>>
>> Initiated by you Phill, I checked what was minimum RAM for Trusty. I
>> sent that report to the Lubuntu community (as an email).
>>
>> There was a discussion, that focused not so much about the test
>> result,
>> but on what should be changed in the wiki page paragraph about
>> system
>> requirements.
>>
>> There was no sign of life from you Phill, or from Iberę or from
>> Sergio,
>> and the discussion ended, and I thought it meant that people
>> were happy
>> with the 'second wording'.
>>
>> So I edited that into the wiki page and made a sub-page,
>> according to
>> suggestions during the discussion.
>>
>>
>> IMHO, what you have done is not really a disaster as it has been
>> explained. The lack of communication, as always, is the major
>> serious issue that Lubuntu Community lacks and needs. I couldn't
>> tell clearly unless I joined other communities and saw by my very
>> eyes how things is happening on the other side of the world :)
>>
>> You have done a great job. Let me tell you something, you're the
>> type of contributor that Lubuntu seriously need. I do appreciate
>> each and everything you have done to Lubuntu, Ubuntu and FOSS. I
>> admire your work. Excellent job and please keep that up. This is my
>> personal opinion.
>>
>> Now, the only problem IMHO was being a bit in hurry to edit the
>> page. If Lubuntu operates in the way of Team Leaders must approve
>> before anything else then you have done everything you could. What
>> you needed to do is waiting for someone to say "Okay" or "Approved".
>> Since this community sadly lacks this approach, you wanted to be
>> extra helpful and have done everything yourself. This is what
>> happened in my eyes.
>>
>> This is what I have been doing mostly in two years with Lubuntu,
>> sometimes at least. Ironically, Phill himself was always saying :
>> "Don't ask, DO!". So, I'm not sure what is wrong?!
>>
>> You have done everything and IF and ONLY IF Wiki Pages of Lubuntu
>> must be edited by ONE and ONLY person, that is the TL of the Wiki
>> area, then maybe that is the only mistake you did by doing someone's
>> else job which is not a disaster IMHO.
>>
>> This is how I see the situation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Once again, I'm very sorry to have made you upset and will stay away
>> from the Lubuntu wiki pages.
>>
>>
>> While I know you're so nice and friendly and I admire that, I
>> disagree with you here. I can't force you of course to help on that
>> area but I'd rather suggest to discuss with the rest of the team and
>> please, don't stay away from the Wiki pages.
>>
>> What Phill may have forgotten is: The Whole Wiki of Ubuntu and the
>> flavors need A LOT of help and love. That is a solid fact everyone
>> who is truly involved with Ubuntu and its flavors should know it. We
>> need more people to help. Editing a Wiki Page is a piece of cake.
>> Keeping that page up-to-date is a huge work that not everyone can do
>> it. You're one of those who can do that. We don't want to lose you.
>> Please!
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-03-29 03:09, Phill Whiteside skrev:
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> it seams to have missed people's minds that anything other a
>> correction
>> of syntax or a link that has expired has to be checked with
>> the TL for
>> the wiki area.
>>
>> There are test areas about and our current guy has spent
>> hours prepping
>> up for 14.04.
>>
>> To clear things, he will be attending #lubuntu-offtopic as
>> part of a
>> meeting that will be registered and logged. At that point
>> you can ask
>> him about the work that is being done by that team to have
>> all the wiki
>> ready for 14.04.
>>
>> This may be a useful session for people who have been making
>> a mess of
>> the wiki 13.10 instead of the 14.04 pages to attend.
>>
>> There is a very good reason we have a TL for wiki... Major
>> changes go
>> through that person and when in doubt that person can check
>> with our
>> head of dev.
>>
>> 14:00 UTC 30th March on #lubuntu-offtopic
>>
>> I expect all of you who have discussing lay out etc. to attend.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> personal secretary to Sergio,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Nio,
I'm sorry for not having responded earlier. There was no sign of life
on this issue from my side because I don't deal with wiki/docs and
besides usually your ideas and suggestions are good. Let's just
remember of your participation background at the lubuntu lists and
Ubuntu Forums. For me, you're a HUGE contributor! Lots of kudos to
you. :-)
So you're right: I was happy with your changes/suggestions although
I'm not dealing with docs/wikis.
I'm glad you're still working on old and midde-aged computers. It'd be
a shame... a HUGE loss if you decided to leave those machines. Thank
you for being considerate, thoughtful and finally patitent after what
happened in the last few days.
>From my side, well, right now I can only agree that many times Lubuntu
really fails as community while we're trying to create an OS. In the
meantime, we loose many fellows/volunteers that become sick of this
sickness... well, I hople sometime we'll learn to grow healthy.
Just notice that it's not about who's right or wrong: I'm not talking
about a person, but our community as a whole. In my opinion, wikis are
supposed to have people participating and growing the information.
Lists are supposed to have people discussing and growing the ideas. A
community is supposed to have communication and growing our values.
Sadly, that's the point we, as a community, many times fail.
Let's keep trying to work together and evolve.
Best regards,
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