I say its time to dump lubuntu software center for deepin software center

Tue Oct 30 20:53:38 UTC 2012

It's great to see a lively discussion on the subject of a software center.
Two things I've learned

1) Passionate views are held
2) I'm glad i use apt-get install :P

Keep it clean folks :)  name calling is not a way forward. A constructive
discussion is very different to a 'slanging match'. The answer is generally
found to be pick the parts that work and use them.

LSC is important for newcomers and making it n00b friendly whilst keeping
it lean, mean and keen is not an easy task and one which I would not like
to carry the burden of.

Just my tuppence worth.

Regards,

Phill.

On 30 October 2012 19:55, Mr Wislr <contact at unleashpc.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:55:15 +0100
> Stephen Smally <eco.stefi at fastwebnet.it> wrote:
> Steven,
>
> First they both show up as python only in the task manager.. and two
> don't make any such comments about what is and isn't without checking
> it out for yourself... which you didn't
>
>
> > A Python app which uses only gtk3 can't be heavier than one that uses
> > a completely modded theme system and which has a lot of eye candy. We
> > can't decide anything about Deepin Software Center (unless we fork
> > it), while we can do whatever we want with LSC.
> > However, the community will do whatever it thinks is right, i won't
> > force anyone to use LSC.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > Il 29/10/2012 21:41, Mr Wislr ha scritto:
> > > Understood,,, but if there is a way to save that valuable unpaid
> > > time to develop LSC and spend it on other things within Lubuntu
> > > then I say its wise to take it.
> > >
> > > In other words if there is something better then why not use it?
> > > The Lubuntu devs can save their resources and concentrate on
> > > something else and embrace the excellent work already achieved by
> > > others in the opensource community.
> > >
> > > I may be wrong but I thought that opensource worked best when
> > > practiced with that mindset.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:35:18 +0000
> > > Phill Whiteside <PhillW at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> That could well be true, but LSC is being developed as lower
> > >> resource equivalent of USC. Please allow me post an email in that
> > >> you may have missed?....
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>> A big thanks to all the people involved in the 12.10 release. It's
> > >>> another success for us :-) Of course, it's not perfect, of course
> > >>> people will complain ... but well, let's just enjoy the work we
> > >>> did. From the testers to the translators, from the wiki masters to
> > >>> the people who talk about it, from the devs (LXDE, Ubuntu etc ...)
> > >>> to the wizards who done the artwork ... everyone deserve this :-)
> > >>> Unfortunately, after each release, another one is coming :-) In
> > >>> less than 2 weeks, UDS [1] will be at Copenhagen, to discuss 13.04
> > >>> release. I already planned a session about Lubuntu, you can find
> > >>> the information on the blueprint [2]. Like last time, there is a
> > >>> section for open discussion, feel free to use it. As usual, if you
> > >>> want to discuss applications by default, or any major
> > >>> improvements, feel free to open a topic on the mailing list. My
> > >>> first task will be to set-up a strict schedule, which will most
> > >>> likely stop the discussions about default applications 1 or 2
> > >>> weeks after UDS. Don't be surprised. Also, remember than
> > >>> everyones working on Lubuntu do it on their free time, no one is
> > >>> paid for this. So, we work on things we like, things we want and
> > >>> things we can do. That mean, even if a lot of people want a
> > >>> feature, it may not happen. It only may encourage us, because we
> > >>> know people are waiting for this, and it may be useful for them.
> > >>> If you really want something, the best option is to try yourself
> > >>> (it's open source after all ;-)) But, for this week-end, it's
> > >>> time to enjoy and to rest a bit. And time to go to a release
> > >>> party ;-) Regards,
> > >>> Julien Lavergne, a tired but proud boss
> > >>> [1]
> > >>> http://uds.ubuntu.com/<
> http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fuds.ubuntu.com%2F&h=yAQHrhvIrAQFtZdKfg_KpT8K5c5a3gp6NNdYLCgvGCqPo_Q&s=1
> >
> > >>>
> > >>> [2] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/
> > >>> community-r-lubuntu-work-items<
> http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fblueprints.launchpad.net%2Fubuntu%2F%2Bspec%2Fcommunity-r-lubuntu-work-items&h=HAQFQrbXrAQESqA99zUAaH7I4FM-pVTTSOW-Csc32Cy2cSw&s=1
> >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> We will never make ALL of the people happy ALL of the time, but
> > >> each release is a step change from the previous one. From PCManFM
> > >> to LSC via all of LX applications there is always work to do, bugs
> > >> to squish, features to add etc. It is the fact that the devs DO
> > >> make these important changes each cycle that makes each release of
> > >> Lubuntu better than the previous one and something we all look
> > >> forward to being released.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Phill.
> > >>
> > >> On 29 October 2012 20:24, Mr Wislr <contact at unleashpc.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> But phil, Lubuntu software center is not using less resources...
> > >>> thats what i'm trying to tell you... it uses 2-3 times more
> > >>> resources than deep software center currently does, at least on my
> > >>> system.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:17:33 +0000
> > >>> Phill Whiteside <PhillW at Ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi Hitesh,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> one of the best things about the Ubuntu family is that we can
> > >>>> tune our systems to our own requirements. We are not restricted
> > >>>> by a closed app-store and are free to add 3rd party software
> > >>>> repos and applications as and where we wish. My easy example is
> > >>>> that I install the LAMP stack and KVM Virtual Machine management
> > >>>> onto my Lubuntu system as I use them. Why? well 1) lubuntu uses
> > >>>> less resources so leaves more for other tasks... 2) I can :D  I'm
> > >>>> also a quiet fan of xxxterm (xombero) as a low resource browser,
> > >>>> it was mentioned at 12.10 but cannot even be considered for 13.04
> > >>>> as it is not yet considered to be functional enough and to have
> > >>>> continued development. Regardless of that it gets a mention as
> > >>>> part of our lowest possible resource installation using
> > >>>> -lubuntu-core [1]. LSC has come along in leaps and bounds since
> > >>>> its first inception and continues to be improved. It took 2 years
> > >>>> for Lubuntu to be accepted as an official flavour, people need to
> > >>>> remember that going from 'concept' to PPA to full acceptance
> > >>>> takes time, effort, dedication but most of all.... patience.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Phill.
> > >>>> 1.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Low_Resource_Browser
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 29 October 2012 19:32, Mr Wislr <contact at unleashpc.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Well that being said I guess it can't be used as the default
> > >>>>> which I think really stinks... The regular ubuntu software
> > >>>>> center is way to heavy for lubuntu,,, lubuntu software center
> > >>>>> feels thrown together and lets face it the basket thing is
> > >>>>> confusing to most "new users" considering we are so concerned
> > >>>>> about them to the point that they are thinking of getting rid
> > >>>>> of "open as root" option in pcmanfm.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> its nice to find a software center that new users can use and
> > >>>>> understand immediately but also that its actually lighter the
> > >>>>> LSC..
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> regardless of what happens by default,, my users, on my lubuntu
> > >>>>> systems will be getting deepin software center everytime.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 19:05:31 +0000
> > >>>>> Phill Whiteside <PhillW at Ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Hitesh,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> in order to try and calm down things, you may have missed a
> > >>>>>> requirement of anything installed as part of the lubuntu
> > >>>>>> isos... They MUST be in the official ubuntu repositries.
> > >>>>>> Until this happens, any discussions are some what academic
> > >>>>>> and theoretical. If that dev team wish to develop and gain
> > >>>>>> entry onto the ubuntu repos, like every other team, they are
> > >>>>>> welcome to head for that goal. I include a link that covers
> > >>>>>> the subject[1].
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Phill.
> > >>>>>> 1.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/16446/how-to-get-my-software-into-ubuntu
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 29 October 2012 18:57, Mr Wislr <contact at unleashpc.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 23:43:23 +0530
> > >>>>>>> Hitesh Shah <chimak111 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Do you guys only read subject titles?? Because I said in the
> > >>>>>>> first post the difference in resources and memory being
> > >>>>>>> used by both apps...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Its Lubuntu software center that is the real big resource
> > >>>>>>> pig here... not deepin software center... take a look,,...
> > >>>>>>> this time your wrong Rafael.....
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> and as for the look... this thing is themeable... easily
> > >>>>>>> create a theme that matches lubuntu...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> as for ease of use?  it blows lubuntu software center
> > >>>>>>> away.....
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Stephen Smally
> > >>>>>>>> <eco.stefi at fastwebnet.it>wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Sadly LSC is not rock solid, but i agree with Rafael,
> > >>>>>>>>> the Deepin software center use more resources and
> > >>>>>>>>> doesn't match our design guidelines. Anyway, it doesn't
> > >>>>>>>>> make a lot of sense to use something which is specific
> > >>>>>>>>> to another distro, is it?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Stephen
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I'm quite impressed with LSC. I hope it retains its
> > >>>>>>>> lightness. The only minor drawback that I see, perhaps
> > >>>>>>>> because of my hardware or net speed, is that there's a
> > >>>>>>>> small lag before what I type in the search box becomes
> > >>>>>>>> visible.
> > >>>>>>>
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