Meeting Minutes online 2012-05-16

[Stephen Smally]

On 05/21/2012 10:50 PM, Jared Norris wrote:
>> I must point out, that gilir was our governance.  And he left last
>> week, after some heat from phillw.  Also, because we are in
>> competition with other Linux distros, user opinions do count.  They
>> might be more relevant than technical decisions made for "all the
>> right reasons"
> User opinions DO count, but popularity contests don't. There is a
> subtle different. The reason the technical people appear to have more
> of a say is that they are the ones best placed to make decisions that
> are aligned with the goals of the distribution.
>
>> You say that casting votes can't be regarded as a decision for the
>> project?  What can be?
>> I noticed you had a sucess with Lubuntu Software Center.  How was that
>> handled?  Can it be repeated?
> Without searching the back history of the mailing list the Lubuntu
> Software Centre was one user who saw a need and created something.
> When it started becoming more mature they engaged the community to
> make sure there was nothing obvious missing and then spoke to the
> relevant Lubuntu development people to get it in to Lubuntu. This can
> definitely be repeated, as they say all around the open source world
> "patches welcome".
>
>> Anyhow I've been fighting with you Mario, B. mainly because it was
>> never clear what the "core contributors" wanted.  It's great for
>> Rafael to get his "Lubuntu Blog" on our new website, but how did that
>> happen?
> I can't answer on this one, I've never had much to do with the
> website. I do know that the Ubuntu Planet has set requirements to
> fulfill to be on that blogroll, maybe we can come up with a list of
> requirements for the Lubuntu one? For comparison's sake, Ubuntu's
> requirements are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu I know our
> LoCo refers to that as a guide for our LoCo planet as well.
>
>> Anyhow, I've realized that a voting model is probably too radical for
>> Lubuntu.  So, I'm going to hold it back for more development.  Please
>> don't let the uncertainty in the process hamper your decision making.
>> That would be ironic.
>>
>> kanliot
> The voting model isn't radical, most open source communities use this
> and to be honest, from what I've seen, Lubuntu does as well. In my
> experience in the open source world is that all code contributors have
> a say in how the project is developed. The problem Lubuntu has, is
> that there are so few code contributors it doesn't always seem this
> way. Lubuntu doesn't have an army of code monkeys sitting in the
> basement where we can call upon them to make changes as we see fit. To
> be honest I'm quite pleasantly surprised at how awesome our
> development team is able to keep up with what they currently do. Job
> well done I say.
>
> I and others may not 100% agree with your notes but at least they're a
> start. I personally think we all need to brainstorm what we actually
> want from our governance before we start trying to get people to
> perform uncertain roles. When we have clear definitions of what we
> want from roles then we can move forward to work out the best way to
> select them from the team.
>
>

Just a clarification, i proposed the Lubuntu Software Center, no one 
asked me for it (there wasn't any kind of contest, or to do item).

Stephen Smally