PhillW at Ubuntu.com
Sun May 13 19:17:32 UTC 2012
On 13 May 2012 20:01, Julien Lavergne <gilir at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> Le 05/13/2012 03:20 PM, Phill Whiteside a écrit :
> > It was great to see Lubuntu get here, but I cannot accept the fact
> > that members of lubuntu who decide on something are over-ruled,
> > we may as well be a dictatorship - which you have said we are in your
> > previous email about the members of lubuntu voting.
> > I wish you and your regieme every success and hope that you sleep easy
> > at night knowing that you totally dis-regard votes
> > that do not fit into the results you were expecting.
> Well, you extended what I said. My concern was on the way the "physical
> ressources" (I mean money, hardware etc ...) are handle. Mario found
> funding to host lubuntu.net, and some people of the community wanted to
> hijack it from him. I considered it unfair, and not realistic. I never
> talk about the content of the website, which was (I think), decided in a
> democratic way.
> I think you are really unfair, I always try to publicly communicate on
> what I do, why I want to do, and to listen people. In this case, I have
> to handle a conclict between 2 sides. Of course, 1 side will be
> disagree, I can't avoid it. Add to this that this discussion was near
> final freeze, time when I really stressful, and you have this type of
> answer, which I agree, is a bit rough.
> I maintain that, even in Free Software, it's not always a democraty.
> Look at all big projects, there are rules, release managers, deadline
> ... Look at the Linux project, Linus Torvalds have a huge power, not
> everyone have the right to push changes to the kernel ... Still, I think
> we are trying to be have democratic as we can.
> If you are disagree with the way the project is handle, you can ask for
> a discussion on the mailing list. I can resign from my dictatorship hat,
> and focus on my dev hat (I join the project for this at the beginning)
> for the time of the discussion, the way we have to handle the governance
> of the project.
> If your point is only the way the lubuntu.net is hosted, this is another
> topic. We can discuss moving the hosting to someone else, but it has to
> be on a dedicated topic on the mailing list, to avoid confusion with the
> content of the website, and let all people explain themselves.
> I hope I clarify my point of view.
> Julien Lavergne
Well, you extended what I said. My concern was on the way the "physical
ressources" (I mean money, hardware etc ...) are handle. Mario found
funding to host lubuntu.net
, and some people of the community wanted to
hijack it from him. I considered it unfair, and not realistic. I never
talk about the content of the website, which was (I think), decided in a
I offered, and repeatedly offered a resource to Lubuntu, For crying out
like, you could have one the few IPv4 addresses. As for you and Mario
deciding to totally ignore all the work that people commited to lubuntu
did? You both simply ignored what was agreed upon by both the meeting, when
it was decided that we ask our ML for voting. The new theme was voted in.
You and Mario decided to ignore that decision, made by us--- the users of
lubuntu. At that point you and Mario became dictators. Happy dictorship. I
and others will not be a part of a system that ignores our wishes.
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